Smoke-Filled Antechamber [Endgame]

[Alisae]

What would make Nahdia go back on the table

[midwaybear]

The situation

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

re-reading Nahdia/DS I don't see how that's theater.

I don't think either of them are capable of that range.

[Tammy]

The strongest argument against Nahdia-DS is that argument they had but that could have been scum theatre. Not likely I'll grant but I feel it's more likely then Midway scum

I'm not really thinking about that whole interaction about reads, but I'm thinking about that one quote early game where DS said that he was wait until Nahdia showed up because he thought he was able to read Nahdia well. Feel like that is a weird thing to say to your scumbuddy 90% of the time.

I've said that about my scum buddy before!

[Alisae]

Pretend Cakez was mod confirmed town
While you should revealuate once you get there since all the players picked to be there were picked for a reason
but let's assume we're there now and me and pooky are dead.

[Tammy]

maybe not exactly, but I have said something like it.

[midwaybear]

I don't think either of them are capable of that range.

Nothing seemed not fakeable? Quotes please

[midwaybear]

Pretend Cakez was mod confirmed town
While you should revealuate once you get there since all the players picked to be there were picked for a reason
but let's assume we're there now and me and pooky are dead.

I mean this is pointless if he is scum, but what I'm taking away is that you want me to give this situation LYLO consideration?

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

Spoiler:

like, yall, to drive this point home,

this

is Soccer Spirits mafia. it is one of my first non-newbie games ever on the site: notice it starts like 3 weeks after my join date. THAT'S your basis for feeling like you can gut read me well!? for getting peeved that i wasnt posting more because you could were so certain to read me right?????????

and actually, while you were mafia in that game, you were red mafia. meaning you didn't know for sure it was multiball, though you did speculate there was 3p in the scumthread.

WAIT HOLD ON. YOU SCUMREAD ME THAT GAME.

your read on me THAT game was "nahdia is a noob that is posting a lot but it's all filler so i cant read them". and then you decided i was scum!

i was town!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

your evidence for being able to gutread me well is a game where you never read me correct!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

if im upset is because now i have to tease out whether in this instance you're either delusional and arrogant or just scum who made a throwaway line and then wasnt able to back it up.

your evidence for being able to gutread me well is a game where you never read me correct!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

One where I never read you correctly

in the thread

i checked the scumthread too!!!

like, maybe you did townread me there.... in a game you were scum. but you never SAID so. so how is THIS your basis for feeling you have a good radar on me. am i being unreasonable here? i really dont think i am!!!

this section from Nahdia feels very real to me

[Alisae]

Pretend Cakez was mod confirmed town
While you should revealuate once you get there since all the players picked to be there were picked for a reason
but let's assume we're there now and me and pooky are dead.

I mean this is pointless if he is scum, but what I'm taking away is that you want me to give this situation LYLO consideration?

Yeah just humor me please and say we're in a gamestate where its F4 is Nahdia, Tammy, Peta, You
Yes its pointless if he is scum but its also not pointless if he's actually town and because if we can identfiy that he's town and get scum today, thats good too.

Oh and also if he is town I might not be living that much longer.

[midwaybear]

@Pooky probably
@Alisae ok
Honestly somewhat crazy that we manage to be in endgame situation after 2 miselim, but I suppose that is the price to pay for so many confirmed towns. Would it be a price I willingly pay? hmm

[Alisae]

@Peta

- how much would you want to be the traitor in this setup?
Random question but its honestly just more chitchat more then anything because thinking back about it, I really think Taylor misplayed really hard if Cakez is scum and Taylor reached out to Cakez.
I feel like the correct way for the traitor to play in this setup is to guide the scum while also just destroy the Deathy inside. They have to give up their lives but the Traitor is a ticking time bomb waiting to die.
Taylor signalling to Cakez if Cakez is scum is a big misplay. I get why they thought it was a good play, signalling to scum is GENERALLY a good idea because people USUALLY don't know that there's a traitor in the setup. It's a mistake thats easy to do. However when its public knowledge that there's a traitor in the setup and its within a group of 5 people, its relatively easy to identify?
I mean she was also getting super fucked on rand (I actually now that I think about it, Jake was probably the most important deathy member because I can totally imagine Tammy, Syr, and Ffery using Jake as bait, and a really good one of that)

[Alisae]

maybe I shoulda left it for post game but I really do like setups like these where your role motivates how you play. You REALLY have to think about what part your piece plays within the setup.

[Tammy]

Traitor is one of the most fun roles to play. I've never been a traitor here though, and my old homesite (rip) used traitors all the time, but they flipped town. It was the most freeing fun role to play. Actually flipping traitor probably takes some of that freedom away.

Though it is difficult trying to figure out how or when to signal. The bell's grandparents one seemed to be a signal, and night one syryana thought that cakez seemed pretty town due to how hard he was pushing taylor and how excited he seemed to be when he was right after we outed. And I totally see his point, but I'm wondering if the scum team also wanted Taylor gone because she was a liability in the way she was going about it.

[Alisae]

WAIT
WOULDN'T IT BE WILD IF THE SCUMTEAM KNEW WHO WAS INSIDE THE DEATHY

[Alisae]

Does this game play differently if scum know about the deathy?

[Alisae]

ITS POSSIBLE I AM REALLY STONED
but that would be wild holy shit

[Tammy]

I postulated that the scum team had an eavesdropper so I don't think it's because you're high lol!

Although Jake told me that it would be weird to have a traitor and an eavesdropper, and I think that makes sense.

But I have wondered if they knew.

[Alisae]

on second thought why would he bus the obv traitor if he knew that the traitor was in the deathy
yeah I'm stoned holy shit

[Alisae]

you bus the traitor and allow the strongest players in the playerlist to become confirmed town, which spirals the game completely out of control.
Thats giving up so much ground.

[Tammy]

(Also just so you know i'm not entirely crazy. Ffery remarked that it was odd that town were just accepting all the mason claims and sometime later both DS and Bell started acting weird about the mason claims.)

[Alisae]

The only thing that justifies it is at first you think Jake is the traitor but how could you possibly think Jake is the traitor, he's not even trying to play the part.
But then it also doesn't make sense that Cakez is trying to miselim taylor but Diamond is trying to miselim Jake that seems like a very big communication error that just shouldn't happen.

[Alisae]

(Also just so you know i'm not entirely crazy. Ffery remarked that it was odd that town were just accepting all the mason claims and sometime later both DS and Bell started acting weird about the mason claims.)

Yeah, I think scum tried to discredit me, pooky, cabd, and SS and try to plant that seed into people's heads.
They were super slow on it though and by the time they tried it was too late becuase town already was allowed to drive the agenda and control the narrative

[Alisae]

The only thing that justifies it is at first you think Jake is the traitor but how could you possibly think Jake is the traitor, he's not even trying to play the part.
But then it also doesn't make sense that Cakez is trying to miselim taylor but Diamond is trying to miselim Jake that seems like a very big communication error that just shouldn't happen.

ig they could have thought it was ffery, tammy, or syr?
This isn't a rabbit hole I want to dig down though.

[Alisae]

I feel like it makes more sense to say that they didn't but the D1 votes on Taylor and Jake I can't but just help feel they're too convienent.