Micro 975: The Shape of Water [END]

[The Bulge]

what makes you think gamma town?

[Infinity 324]

Yeah, to me it was the fact that the meta seemed so important to them but they didn't look at it/ask for it earlier. Is it so unlikely that scum would do that?

PEdit: I actually thought gamma looked good coming out of the whole voting alchemist thing. His mindset seemed to be consistent with trying to get a slow game moving.

[Infinity 324]

I think his taylor vote after that was good as well, even though I'm not sure I agree that she's scum at this point. But I liked the reasoning in 297.

[Infinity 324]

Should probably go to sleep but I'll think more about this game tomorrow.

[Tayl0r Swift]

I can't bring up examples rn but I've gotten a strong gutread on you early as scum more than once before, but here you seem completely different. granted im not one for meta dives but its a read im ok with for now

punpun's heads converging on alchemist pinged me the hardest, but my earliest impression was that I disgree with most of their reads and their interactions with you seemed off as well

what about the interactions with me seem off? i dont like that you're hacheting townreads. i have absolutely the opposite read on punpun - ive liked that the heads are on the same page. why is alchemist town?

[Venus and Mars]

I'll do another read tonight because i for sure thought i was replacing into a scumslot lol but im not too worried about dl

Why? Was it the gimmick?

~Mars

[Venus and Mars]

how are you feeling rn about alchemist? I'm not sure i see what sailor was saying about nuance, it seems to me like it could be more of a personality or posting style thing

I think Alchemist is playing similarly here to Coalition and Creature is mindmelding with me on him as well. Creature has a pretty decent track record in catching scum.

It’s kind of interesting, you’re one of the very few players who knows me as a mod but not a player.

~M

[Venus and Mars]

Is this a meta thing cause I've definitely seen scum use more nuance than that. I agree that 315 is slightly towny.

Yes, he sounds here exactly like he played in Coalition (town) and completely different than he sounded in both Post Apocalypse (SK) and that TK anime game he was scum in.

~M

hmm are you sure? i dont have any meta on alch either way, but the play seems scummy on its face.

I’m too tired to look up the links but you can judge for yourself.

TK anime game, Scum!Alch:

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... B%5D=24636

~M

Krazy Post Apocalypse game, SK!Alch:

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... B%5D=24636

Coalition, town!Alch:

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... #p11218122

Anyone who’s sr Alch needs to read these links. I think it should be pretty obvious what I’m talking about.

[Venus and Mars]

Krazy felt like he was forcing content early on and I get pocketing vibes in some of his posts

:

derp you're not an alt of hewhoswims are you?

-M

no i am a terrible swimmer

this was actually pretty funny. my townlean here is just a spicy hot take off this one post, I'll need more to cement it

isnt this the game where i caught you super early?

yes, this is the game where you caught infinity super early :3

-Merc

Only pings though

I don’t understand this post at all. How is Krazy doing either one of those things here?

~M

[Venus and Mars]

Krazy felt like he was forcing content early on and I get pocketing vibes in some of his posts

:

derp you're not an alt of hewhoswims are you?

-M

no i am a terrible swimmer

this was actually pretty funny. my townlean here is just a spicy hot take off this one post, I'll need more to cement it

isnt this the game where i caught you super early?

yes, this is the game where you caught infinity super early :3

-Merc

Only pings though

I don’t understand this post at all. How is Krazy doing either one of those things here?

~M

And btw, what does “forcing content” even mean, let alone why it’s even something meaningful to comment on?

[punpun]

Yeah, to me it was the fact that the meta seemed so important to them but they didn't look at it/ask for it earlier. Is it so unlikely that scum would do that?

PEdit: I actually thought gamma looked good coming out of the whole voting alchemist thing. His mindset seemed to be consistent with trying to get a slow game moving.

Not gonna look at meta unless I'm really invested in a game, that's too much effort.

Bulge, what pings you about how we converged on Alchemist?

~pun

[punpun]

I didnt catch that before but the mocking tone in the first part doesnt really line up to me with how theyre choosing to deal with the slot in that same post

Explain why? I'm irritated with what he's saying in calling the game boring, saying it's a loss due to the playerlist etc, it's negative and anti-fun. But still, I thought it was town-indicative at the time because it draws a lot of negative attention, and scum usually aren't so bold.

~pun

[punpun]

Day 1

Vote Count 1.08

Doug Jones, the actor portraying the Asset, also played the Pale Man and the Faun in Guillermo del Toro's earlier work, Pan's Labrynth, more accurately titled "El laberinto del fauno"

Alchemist21 [1]:

Tayl0r Swift

Tayl0r Swift [1]:

Gamma Emerald

Infinity 324 [1]:

Alchemist21,

Venus and Mars [1]:

The Bulge

Creature [1]:

Punpun

Not Voting [3]:

Creature, Infinity 324, Venus and Mars


With

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alive, it takes

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Day 1

ends in

(expired on 2020-11-03 20:00:00)

on

November 3rd.

Mod Notes

: The Bulge has replaced derp.

I will extend the deadline another 24 hours. This will be the last extension here.

lol this gamestate is so fractured.

I don't see what's towny about Creature's solving, and 361 isn't hard for scum to fake, like, at all, Mars.

I dislike the way he entered this game, acting annoyed at standard RVS stuff in 10.
I dislike how confident he was on Gamma-scum in 256/258, only to lose the confidence with no progression/explanation later on.
and I dislike how he's not interacted with our slot's push on him once during this game. He's just ignored it.

~pun

[punpun]

What's caused this massive disillusionment in the game for you?

Also, you never answered this, Creature.

~pun

[Infinity 324]

I didnt catch that before but the mocking tone in the first part doesnt really line up to me with how theyre choosing to deal with the slot in that same post

Explain why? I'm irritated with what he's saying in calling the game boring, saying it's a loss due to the playerlist etc, it's negative and anti-fun. But still, I thought it was town-indicative at the time because it draws a lot of negative attention, and scum usually aren't so bold.

~pun

I feel like you’d be more skeptical of the meta then, if you really think it’s rare for scum to do the negativity thing. The way you’ve approached the creature slot feels weird and it feels like you’re jumping on the opportunity for a potential ML/solid scumread.

[punpun]

It's town-indicative for an average player, yeah. V&M claims they've seen Creature do this as scum though - why would I be skeptical?

~pun

[punpun]

I'm fine with listening to people's meta reads since I'm too lazy to do them myself. I'm sheeping Mars on leaving Alchemist for today too. There's the caveat that it could be both of them, but unlikely, and they're shooting themselves in the foot for later.

~pun

[punpun]

ah, i’ve been a bit lazy about following this game admittedly but i’ve talked about it some with pun. more or less we agree about our vote. there hasn’t been too much of a shift in my reads and it’ll probably take a flip to get me back into this.

in the meantime, take this.

Spoiler:

~punpun

[Infinity 324]

But the people who know creature’s meta have him as a light town read, that’s why I’m confused.

[punpun]

Mars and Gamma townlean him for his takes, not due to meta. I disagree that his takes/solving are towny.

~pun

[Venus and Mars]

I’m really liking Infinity’s posts but punpun’s aggro Creature push is kind of weirding me out. @punpun, you have two people in this game who have meta on that slot including your #1 townread who don’t want to fade him, so why are you pushing him this hard?

You weren’t too concerned about Creature before I vetoed your Alchemist push.

And it reads quite differently to me than Infinity’s no vote deadline concern. I’m really not getting town vibes from that push at all.

VOTE: punpun

~Mars

[Infinity 324]

VOTE: punpun

[Venus and Mars]

I didnt catch that before but the mocking tone in the first part doesnt really line up to me with how theyre choosing to deal with the slot in that same post

Explain why? I'm irritated with what he's saying in calling the game boring, saying it's a loss due to the playerlist etc, it's negative and anti-fun. But still, I thought it was town-indicative at the time because it draws a lot of negative attention, and scum usually aren't so bold.

~pun

I feel like you’d be more skeptical of the meta then, if you really think it’s rare for scum to do the negativity thing. The way you’ve approached the creature slot feels weird and it feels like you’re jumping on the opportunity for a potential ML/solid scumread.

+1

That too. Why the 180 @punpun?

[punpun]

I’m really liking Infinity’s posts but punpun’s aggro Creature push is kind of weirding me out. @punpun, you have two people in this game who have meta on that slot including your #1 townread who don’t want to fade him, so why are you pushing him this hard?

You weren’t too concerned about Creature before I vetoed your Alchemist push.

And it reads quite differently to me than Infinity’s no vote deadline concern. I’m really not getting town vibes from that push at all.

VOTE: punpun

~Mars

Sigh, because there's no direction and we need a elim. Creature is our best lead, even if it's not confident. Why as scum do I need to go hard aggro on Creature, considering he's not even got us in the scumpool, and we were under no threat at the time?

~pun

[Venus and Mars]

No, I'm legit lost on reads and feel like scum isn't being handed enough pressure.

This post doesn’t usually come from scum. Creature acted this way, actually worse in a game where he ultimately flipped town. He’s genuinely trying and he doesn’t sound off like he did in TBoNtB. The negativity by itself is NIA.

If he isn’t lurking, if he isn’t trying to actually avoid making reads, it isn’t scum indicative for him.

~Mars