Newbie 2037 - Game Over

[Norfolk Boy1]

voting town with 3 scum watching and laughing.

3 scum? All newbie games have 2 scum.

I know that. Phone typo.

[ItalianoVD]

Sadly not.

When looking at the E1 wagon that formed on me, do any of the people on that wagon ping you as scum? I struggle to believe that it's 4 town, voting town with 3 scum watching and laughing.

I think the only way scum is on your wagon is if you are scum. Scum want towncred and get it by bussing. However they more than likely don’t want to be on a large town wagon if they can help it. I think this was just an instance of town working together. This is of course going with the thought that you are town. On that note you have to look at who jumped off your wagon.

[Dunnstral]

Very few posts and barely any content.

That doesn't make me mafia

[Rockhopper]

Only null? Hmmm...?

You are now a slight scumread.

[MiniMegabyte]

I’m off to hospital so I will get on when I can but I may be less active

[ItalianoVD]

I’m off to hospital so I will get on when I can but I may be less active

Hope everything’s okay with you. Take care.

[ItalianoVD]

Only null? Hmmm...?

You are now a slight scumread.

Why?

[Rockhopper]

Only null? Hmmm...?

I wanted to solidify my read on Rock, but there’s some things about him i don’t like and that’s pinging me slightly. They’re a light townread so far.

When he said he wanted to solidify a read on me but wasn't satisfied, I assume he referred to my null read on him (our only AI interaction), in which case I can see a scum agenda (don't see how it can be useful for town) trying to force a bad read out of me

[Rockhopper]

Rock, what are your current reads?

Wiyvern and bakslash are my scumreads.
Facebones and Italiano are my townreads.

Why am I your scumread?

I don't think your reads come from a town perspective.
It's also stronger than it should be because of padwag/wiyvern

[wiyvern]

Hey wiyvern, welcome to the game!

Let’s make things interesting with some RQS

For those that don’t know, RQS is called Random Questioning Stage and it has its advantages. And this is for everyone in the playerlist. Non answers get scumread.

1. What is your overall mafia experience? Not just on this site.
2. Do you prefer playing scum/wolf or town/village?
3. In your opinion, what are some of the top things to look for when scumhunting?
4. When townhunting?
5. Is it easy or difficult for you to lie?

1. I've played a couple of games on another site, and other than that I've just played irl ww.
2. Town definitely
3. I like looking for inconsistencies and trying to stay under the radar. I also use gut feelings quite a bit(probably too much sometimes).
4. I like looking for good reads with evidence/proof and just a sense of solving overall. The gut thing also applies here.
5. I find it pretty easy to lie.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Only null? Hmmm...?

I wanted to solidify my read on Rock, but there’s some things about him i don’t like and that’s pinging me slightly. They’re a light townread so far.

When he said he wanted to solidify a read on me but wasn't satisfied, I assume he referred to my null read on him (our only AI interaction), in which case I can see a scum agenda (don't see how it can be useful for town) trying to force a bad read out of me

That’s not the only thing i was thinking off. And why couldn’t my read come from a town perspective?

[wiyvern]

Norfolk Boy 1- Town. He claimed tracker and there hasn't been a cc. I don't see any reason to lynch him.

Fair enough.

Facebones- Town. I've liked their posts, and they seem to be solving pretty well. I also agreed with a lot if things they saud when I was reading through everything.

What does solving pretty well mean to you?

They seem to have decent reads and are trying to get reads on people ig, I'm probably not explaining it well, but eh w/e

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Rockhopper- Slight Town. Basically for the same reasons as Facebones, but to a lesser extent. And tbh, I'm not entirely sure I agreed with things they said because them and Facebones started to blur together after some time. I might iso them seperately later so I get a better idea, but for now, I think this is good.

So he’s slightly less town because you don’t agree with his posts? Blur together? Could you explain that?

blur together means I couldn't remember which posts that came from rockhopper and which ones were from facebones.

Billy Pilgrim- Very Slight Town. Man, I've been flip-flopping around with this slot so much. I originally town read them a little bit, then some posts of theirs pinged me, and eventually I went back to just town reading them. It's kind of a gut read ig.

What were those posts that pinged you?

I'll quote those posts later.

Dunnstral- Null(mostly). They exist. I don't think they've done that much, but I got to admit, none of their posts seem necessarily bad to me, so if I had to call them town or mafia, I'd say town.

Don’t have a problem with this.

Bakslash- Null probably. I really just don't remember a lot from them, so I don't have much to say. Will probably iso later.

What will an iso do if they haven’t said much?

they might bot have said much, but they've said something. Basically, I don't remember a lot of their posts, and I think isoing them will help me remember.

ItalianoVD- Leaning Scum. They seem to be agreeing with a lot of stuff. From their posts, I don't remember seeing a ton of individual thoughts not said by others ready. IIRC they made two or three consecutive posts saying they agreed with something. I'm not saying you can't ever agree with anyone, but I feel like Italiano might be agreeing a bit too much.

In 227, I agreed with Dunnstral’s 217 about Norfolk and in 230, I agreed with Rockhopper’s 183 about padwag and bakslash. Where else have I agreed a lot about?

I'll find some posts later

MiniMegabyte- Scum. I flip flopped on her originally, but after I read through the game more and more, my scumread on her grew more and more. It's mostly because I don't feel like they've contributed much. A lot of their posts(iirc) have been more like fluff posts and/or not related to reads and game advancing stuff.

How is Mini different from Dunnstral and bakslash?

ig just because mini hasn't done a whole lot of stuff relevant to the game iirc, while I'm pretty sure dunnstral and bakslash have.

Overall this feels like a scum-motivated readslist, especially the vote. Easy for scum to vote for the inactive and no content slot. But we have time to discuss it thanks to the pause/reset.

Answers are in bold

[wiyvern]

Spoiler:

Thanks for the welcome everyone! Anyways, I just finished reading everything so, here's my reads.

Norfolk Boy 1- Town. He claimed tracker and there hasn't been a cc. I don't see any reason to lynch him.
Facebones- Town. I've liked their posts, and they seem to be solving pretty well. I also agreed with a lot if things they saud when I was reading through everything.
Rockhopper- Slight Town. Basically for the same reasons as Facebones, but to a lesser extent. And tbh, I'm not entirely sure I agreed with things they said because them and Facebones started to blur together after some time. I might iso them seperately later so I get a better idea, but for now, I think this is good.
Billy Pilgrim- Very Slight Town. Man, I've been flip-flopping around with this slot so much. I originally town read them a little bit, then some posts of theirs pinged me, and eventually I went back to just town reading them. It's kind of a gut read ig.
Dunnstral- Null(mostly). They exist. I don't think they've done that much, but I got to admit, none of their posts seem necessarily bad to me, so if I had to call them town or mafia, I'd say town.
Bakslash- Null probably. I really just don't remember a lot from them, so I don't have much to say. Will probably iso later.
ItalianoVD- Leaning Scum. They seem to be agreeing with a lot of stuff. From their posts, I don't remember seeing a ton of individual thoughts not said by others ready. IIRC they made two or three consecutive posts saying they agreed with something. I'm not saying you can't ever agree with anyone, but I feel like Italiano might be agreeing a bit too much.
MiniMegabyte- Scum. I flip flopped on her originally, but after I read through the game more and more, my scumread on her grew more and more. It's mostly because I don't feel like they've contributed much. A lot of their posts(iirc) have been more like fluff posts and/or not related to reads and game advancing stuff.

This is a scum reads list. Noticing how many of the slot descriptions have essentially the exact same reasoning of: "They haven't contributed much."

what?

Yet some are null, town, scum. None of it really makes a whole lot of sense. Making me believe it was more likely manufactured than genuine.
Their words on Italiano: "Agreeing too much." Most ridiculous thing i've heard. There are some reasons to suspect Italiano, that isn't one of them. Are we even reading the same game?

Eh, maybe some of my reasoning's bad, but I'm a newbie after all, so ofc my stuff won't be the best

VOTE: Wiyvern[/quote]

[wiyvern]

Sorry screwed up the quote, I'm not actually voting for myself

[NorwegianboyEE]

Eh, maybe some of my reasoning's bad, but I'm a newbie after all, so ofc my stuff won't be the best

Can you explain which posts from Italiano made you claim they were "agreeing too much"? I just want to know where your head was at when you made that read.

[wiyvern]

I was about to stop voting for Mini after reading a few of her previous games, but I just wanted to see how the wagon would develop (feels like an easy place for scum to be in). I don't think it's optimal to spend more time on that

VOTE: wiyvern, I swear I'm not sheeping norwman

Why do you scumread me besides wheeling norwe?

[wiyvern]

I was about to stop voting for Mini after reading a few of her previous games, but I just wanted to see how the wagon would develop (feels like an easy place for scum to be in). I don't think it's optimal to spend more time on that

VOTE: wiyvern, I swear I'm not sheeping norwman

Why do you scumread me besides wheeling norwe?

Sheeping* not wheeling

[Rockhopper]

Only null? Hmmm...?

I wanted to solidify my read on Rock, but there’s some things about him i don’t like and that’s pinging me slightly. They’re a light townread so far.

When he said he wanted to solidify a read on me but wasn't satisfied, I assume he referred to my null read on him (our only AI interaction), in which case I can see a scum agenda (don't see how it can be useful for town) trying to force a bad read out of me

That’s not the only thing i was thinking off. And why couldn’t my read come from a town perspective?

It could have.
What else pinged you about me?
What's your read on Billy (third person perspective)?

[NorwegianboyEE]

What's your read on Billy (third person perspective)?

Eh, it’s kinda hard to resist bias from already knowing their role. But i’d say the main reason Billy shows being town is because they were pretty bold and aggressive. Scum!Billy tends to be more subdued in my experience.

[NorwegianboyEE]

What else pinged you about me?

Some of your behaviour seems contradictory.

[Rockhopper]

I was about to stop voting for Mini after reading a few of her previous games, but I just wanted to see how the wagon would develop (feels like an easy place for scum to be in). I don't think it's optimal to spend more time on that

VOTE: wiyvern, I swear I'm not sheeping norwman

Why do you scumread me besides sheeping norwe?

Your predecessor. And you were on the Mini wagon, I really feel like scum would have joined the Mini wagon.

[Rockhopper]

What else pinged you about me?

Some of your behaviour seems contradictory.

Explain?

[NorwegianboyEE]

Why don’t you look at post 443.

[Rockhopper]

It starts out with him voting padwag and then quickly changing to bakslash in 94 and 96

Then he has a number of interactions regarding these votes and reads that progresses from 107 to 109 to 114 to 143 to 167

Then he votes for padwag again in 145 and then posts 183, which I agreed with at the time because it made sense.

Now in 428 he has them back as his scumreads.

Maybe you can make sense of that. I’m torn between it being inconsistent townie second guessing himself on his reads or inconsistent scum that is blatantly making mistakes.

To be clear, padwag and backslash were both scumreads at that point and have been so ever since, I only switched (94,96) because I thought wagons were more valuable than single votes. But it didn't look like it was going anywhere (116), so I moved back to padwag (stronger scumread). I found Norfolk and mini pretty suspicious too, but their slots have improved from my perspective, unlike pad/wiyv and bak.

What did you find contradictory here?

[Rockhopper]

There's a really good chance that scum exists outside of {bakslash, padwag}.
VOTE: Norfolk, purely a gut vote.

When I said that I meant there was a good chance that the scum team wasn't {padwag, backslash}