Mini Theme 2164: Betrayal Mafia I (Game over!)

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Is anyone actually clear? My nimble head tells me that Cmod, Gamma, Johnny, DK are "somewhat conftown"

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How likely is it that Gamma-scum put a +1 knowledge on Pine n0 to set him up, and when no one else mentioned it, brought it up himself on d2?

Based on the fact that he lost speed, visited library and 2 labs were activated - not very likely.

I want to examine this question more closely. Where did scum use their knowledge modifier N2? How do you know if Gamma really visited the library, rather than giving himself the +1 knowledge right before activating a lab?

This interaction with IKSF sucks. Probs scum to scum more often than scum to town

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All this mechanic talk is why I used to only play open games I still haven't read this setup.

VOTE: pine because he's scum but I have a few things I wanna discuss

Hydra seems quiet today, internal strife?

Albert B. makes me nervous. More of a feeling.

I would vote Cmod if setup didn't point to cmod town.

Tempted to stake my life on ydrasse town

link to VC on this page

Albert's lack of response to Johnny's "Albert B. makes me nervous" makes me feel like Johnny is more likely to be town than scum here

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The phrasing gives me town vibes overall too.

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I don't. But ABR/IKS and ABR/Noraa were both parked on the same wagon back to back for several VCs yesterday.

Lavar is also an option for his partner

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He made it seem like he was gonna carry this game when he revealed and now he ain't done shit

this feels quite genuinely townie

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Can someone post what everyone has done as their claimed night actions?

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UNVOTE: ydrasse

a lot of nulls slots this game

VOTE: abr

nosferatu unvoted us from E-2 and switched to scum in ABR

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V OTECOUNT 1.013
P LAYER N AME	C URRENT V OTES		S TRENGTH	S PEED	K NOWLEDGE	P LAYER N AME
Gamma Emerald	Pine	EL-6	3	3	3	Gamma Emerald
SirCakez	Ydrasse, Gamma Emerald	EL-5	2	3	3	SirCakez
GeorgeBailey	Fun and Games	EL-6	3	3	4	GeorgeBailey
CreativeMod1	None	EL-7	3	3	3	CreativeMod1
Albert B. Rampage	None	EL-7	3	3	3	Albert B. Rampage
Pine	None	EL-7	3	3	4	Pine
Bingle	None	EL-7	3	3	3	Bingle
Nosferatu	None	EL-7	3	3	1	Nosferatu
DoctorPepper	None	EL-7	3	3	3	DoctorPepper
PenguinPower	None	EL-7	3	3	3	PenguinPower
Fun and Games	DoctorPepper	EL-6	3	3	3	Fun and Games
Ydrasse	PenguinPower, Albert B. Rampage, Nosferatu, SirCakez, CreativeMod1	EL-2	3	3	3	Ydrasse
beeboy	None	EL-7	3	3	3	beeboy
Not Voting	GeorgeBailey, beeboy, Bingle
With 13 alive, it takes 7 to eliminate. Deadline: (expired on 2020-09-27 23:16:10)
Notes: DoctorPepper is V/LA until Sept 25 pagetops: Lilith 6 | penguin 6 | ABR 1 | gamma 1 | cm1 1

Without reading CAkez ISO id say cake is scum is leaning scumpurely off this VC.

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309 + 202 posts from the 1 slot.... srsly

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Aint reading DK. Vibes im getting are:
aggressive
self entitled

Matches DK's prev town MO.

Probs town off nosferatu's slot alone.

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No vibes from Penguin's posts. Though thats probs 80% due to me not rly reading them but skimming. Sue me.

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I’m fine with it. His dance around Noraa slot was bad and his claim is pretty much that slots claim to but he won’t get specific.

I think I quite prefer Noraa over Bingle at this point.

This doesnt really marry up though.

Someone "dancing over" a slot and not taking a firm stance on a slot is scummy.

Our slot was the one being danced over if i understand the context correvtly.

But then somehow lands at prefers Noraa over Bingle

Non sequitur.

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DkKo pls cool off, Nora will out herself or explain herself later and given her reason for holding off on claiming specific things will obviously need to be very detailed and nuanced it's gonna be pretty hard to actually construct a fake story. like as long as there is 1+ player alive who isn't mechanically brain-dead, scum!Nora ours herself by having shitty reasons for stalling so long

Bad vibes here.

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Feels like scum discussing a scenario (Noraa faking a "story", imguessing context wise this was re: night actions/role claim?,, anyways not important ie implying she is scum as only scum has to lie) they wont be to held accountable to anyway, because its not true (our slot being scum)

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plan changed
can we elim this phase?
I don't care

VOTE: Noraa

baha,

"ill give noraa then benefit of the doubt..." is the vibe i was getting from the "faking story post"

followed by a vote that feels like it was always coming.

alarm bells.

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I think my reads are liek

Gamma

Johnny
DkKo
Cmod1
Noraa
IKS

Cakez



or something

hm

reads list seems ok at this stage, though, other than noraa.

I havent read noraa's iso, but noraa tends to read as town to me when she plays scum. So i dont know why noraa is so low.

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unless literally cleared

like the game is basically

{Gamma,dkko} literal conftown
{Johnny} pls town pls
{Tw,CM1} keep doing towny things
{Noraa,iks} delicious delicious limbait
{Cakez} literally attempted to scumsided itt, is trying to survive exclusively on the merit of some vig claim I don't understand (when scum don't have a linear NK ) and isn't trying to sort anyone

I suddenly think if killing cakez doesn't end the game it's actually somewhat more likely you'll find the voice in the CM1/tw tier given we're like contractually obligated to try and endgame.

Worst/IKS team seems possible

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oh 72 are you another Aussie scummer?

ye

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Cre with 98 posts. LEGEND

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I didn't go to the gym, I went exploring and I found a rather fun little item that I'd love to play with today
It's a homing pigeon, essentially I give it to another player and they can send me a 300 character message back, they can then send it back to me and I can make a reply.
So essentially I can use it to have private conversations with other players

If people trust me, I would love to send it out to a load of different people and if anyone has any information leading to a scum then I can out the information to the town but not who the information came from.

This feels like a town mindest thought of use of homing pigeon

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I'm so confused by a lot of things

Nos, you're saying you got operated on last night?

So if we count all the actions we believe Doctors did last night:
1) Roomblocked the gym
2) Activated Lab 1
3) Activated Lab 2
4) Operated on Nos
5) Factional attack on Gamma

Thats a lot of scum night actions. I understand ppl have 3 speed, halved = 1 = 1 night action each for most. 1 speedy scum probs.= 4 scum

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Who had 4 speed + at this stage of the game?

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Gah, all I did was sleep and now theres another 20+ pages haha, I'm just gonna put thoughts in here as I read through, apologies if I say something that later gets addressed, also ngl but I'm skim reading half this game cos there's just so much

1) The votecount is very interesting, thank you very much. A big part of why I wanna flip F&G is due to the voting patterns, more so on the second day but also from the first day, I could 100% see a scum team of F&G and Lava

2) IKS I could also see as being scum from VC, notice how they were on Lava's wagon until it got too hot and then rejoined Lava's wagon once it cooled down

3) Looking at Lava's ISO's, I can see this being a trio

4) DK, chill out, just cos we have opposing views doesn't make either of us bad at the game. Also this is a democracy not a dictatorship, just because you're townier than most doesn't give you the right to take control of the game. I hate it when players play like that because it makes the game a lot less fun.

5) DK, a massive issue with your plan is that Nos had already told town about how your ability works, Scum will be able to account for it

6) Nora being scummy for going to the gym means nothing...I also went to the gym last night, does this make me scum? :O

7) Lol I find it funny that DK is calling out Gamma for being stubborn...

8) Lets look at the world in which Nora is scum, who needs 4 speed to do her rather powerful ability....why would scum stop her from getting it on the first night, like okay yes a lot of people got room blocked on that night (I wouldn't be surprised if some were scum lying about going there) I'd probably predict about 3 players actually got room blocked...Scum!Nora would rather gain her ability sooner rather than later

9) I noticed that DK is calling F&G townie for at the start of the game trying to coordinate who does what action that night and who visits what rooms...knowing who is planning on visiting what room is very powerful for scum who have a room-blocker, if they want to use that room-blocker as effectively as possible then knowing which room is gonna have the most people visiting is gonna be very helpful

10) Social read on DK is still scummy, I find it hilarious that they're trying to sow doubt on some of the other towniest players, not that I really should need to defend myself but here we go anyway:
a) I had no reason to share my stat boost with Gamma, I did so because Gamma hinted towards being able to attack multiple labs, I could've easily saved it hidden away for some late game attacks
b) I had no reason to use my heal ability on Nos/DK, especially cos Nos at first told me not to but eventually they asked me to do so and thus I did. Again I could've saved it for later to heal a scum buddy
c) I have proven all of my night actions with exploring and finding items as I have passed out all of my items to Gamma
d) Lets be real here, I'm a lot more townie then you are
e) We should all keep in mind though that there isn't any form of 100% confirmed town in this setup, from what I gather, there is no cop or anything like that

11) See point 4...DK, chill the fuck out, love that I'm about 10 pages in and I've gotta say this again, nobody is gonna listen to you or respect your views if you try to be a dictator...heck even if you were cop confirmed I wouldn't listen to you at this point. Stop being so rude and try listening to other people. This game is gonna require social reads, telling everyone what to do will not help our social reads, you need to let other players come up with ideas themselves so that we can grill them on why they'd suggest said ideas.

12) This plan of getting everyone to attack each other is so pointless, in fact scum are gonna love it 100% because they'll be able to get a load of damage done to half the town, they'll get to use the attack function on people without any downside

13) F&G, yes I am staying very firmly on your wagon, I'm not 100% certain you're scum but I'm a good 80% certain, I am however 100% certain that flipping you will give us sooooo much info, cos if you flip scum then we'll learn a lot, if you flip town then we'll know that our original ideas were wrong and thus we can re-evaluate, this is why I was so frustrated with the bingle flip yesterday, it gave us nothing...atm I think scum team are: F&G/Lava/IKS +1 other, Lava would be a pointless flip because I don't feel like they're active enough to be fighty on a future day, F&G I could easily see them being able to out-argue other players and get away with it (as they have been doing all day)

14) I highly agree with SirCakez, so much of this whole game has been spammy pointless arguments and it's made this game a massive tax to read, honestly I'm not surprised that PP quit the game, there's just so much bullshit happening and it's pointless

Probs town

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Fun and games is my current strongest SR

pick someone else this is never happening today

I've been telling you guys about F&G for several days now. Let's do this.

VOTE: Fun & Games

really dislike this we need to stick on Bingle or something that will actually happen within the next day

I could go back to Chara also. Nothing about their entrance struck me as town.

This phrasing sounds like a scum mindset.

Reads like a weak offer to vote for their scumbuddy for town points. A weak offer that Cake hopes not to be taken up on.