Apologies for the absence, work's been pretty crazy
Welcome to the game, Norwegianboy. I was mightily impressed by how easily you were able to convince Rockhopper to vote scum with you just by asking. Right when I thought Italiano was the master manipulator of the game
Rockhopper, quick question- how come you asked Norway his read on Billy and not Wiyvern their read on Padwag?
In post 475, Facebones wrote:Welcome to the game, Norwegianboy. I was mightily impressed by how easily you were able to convince Rockhopper to vote scum with you just by asking.
Does that mean you scumread Wiyvern too?
Can you explain why you are currently voting Italiano?
In post 475, Facebones wrote:Welcome to the game, Norwegianboy. I was mightily impressed by how easily you were able to convince Rockhopper to vote scum with you just by asking.
Does that mean you scumread Wiyvern too?
Can you explain why you are currently voting Italiano?
It absolutely does not mean I'm scumreading Wiyvern, I was just curious why he did it it to one of the substitutes and not the other.
Anyway, here is why I'm voting Italiano currently:
this post actually gives off town vibes to me tbh, i can elaborate on this if someone wants (ps im not really good at articulation
What changed?
In post 107, Rockhopper wrote:Well, my initial read was based on just a single post, so it was as weak as it could get
It followed a bunch of wrong premises so it doesn't mean anything anymore.
I have a problem with your current read on padwag given there is/was no content to make you change. If he did something you townread him for, why are you now scumreading him for doing the same thing? And I disagree, I think it does mean something, but you brushing it off isn’t gonna make me go away.
This caught my interest. Rockhoppers explained his read was weak due to it being based off one post, and when he changed his mind Italiano had a problem with it, saying there wasn't enough content to make him change his mind. Content from who? Padwag? It was a weak read, based off one post. Other players had contributed more which could've potentially painted them in a more townie light juxtaposed to Padwag's lack of content, but we won't talk about that- only the fact that Padwag hadn't posted enough to make someone change their mind on their weak initial read.
In post 217, Dunnstral wrote:My justification is that you are giving analysis but it doesn't to anything. You are going with the flow and keeping up with the conversation,
I agree 100%. I was thinking this about Norfolk, but wanted to give him time, which he hasn’t done.
As it has been said before, this could've easily been said of at least 3 different players. Why agree 100% on Norfolk and blindly disregard the others going with the flow? He saw the wagon there when Dunnstral briefly made it E-2 and ever since then it's been
In post 231, ItalianoVD wrote:My ghost vote is on Norfolk Boy right now, but I don’t wanna put him at E-1 yet in case there’s a quickhammer.
In post 266, Billy Pilgrim wrote:
Now I know this is partially messed up by the way i think we both messed up the vote count, but you're still on me. You feel comfortable hammering a wagon that im on?
Yes I am, because potentially getting scum is potentially getting scum; that is the goal. I have non problem doing it because the fact of the matter is I could be wrong. I don’t wanna be so focused on you that I prevent the town from reaching its goal. This sentiment rings true for everyone in the game.
What happened to this?
In post 113, ItalianoVD wrote:Still don’t know why that’s a thing: not voting for your highest scumread.
In post 264, Facebones wrote:Post 187 didn't strike me as something scum Norfolk would do tbh,
although he could be trying to pull the wool over our eyes
. Is this what a WIFOM is?
If that’s how you feel, like if that’s in your mind then you don’t let him wiggle out of it by backing off.
I've gone through this one before, how I thought he was trying to guide me onto the wagon and blahblahblah.
In post 271, ItalianoVD wrote:All this unvoting is bothersome. Why do it? Especially with no explanation. Let’s put him back at E-2.
VOTE: Norfolk Boy1
Again, it feels like he's trying to guide people onto the wagon.
Norfolk then claims town tracker.
In post 308, ItalianoVD wrote:I’m not sure if I believe this. I think you’re really stretching it with all the “crumbs”. I’m sure everyone can go through their posts and highlight words and say they’re crumbing a role.
It seems like Italiano wasn't expecting this and was taken off guard, but still trying to convince everyone that Norfolk is scum and to vote for him despite the claim which he crumbed.
In post 305, Norfolk Boy1 wrote:He was then fixed on Billy, voting for him, casing him and saying he was likely to vote for him come days end.
That’s true, but as you know in this game things change and I felt you were more scummy than Billy. What I said about bakslash in 174 rings true for everyone.
This seems like a very convenient excuse for him to hop from wagon to wagon, sussing out townies to see which one has the best chance of getting eliminated- "I'm not townreading them, but my vote is better off elsewhere."
It wasn't until this point Italiano changes his mind:
In post 346, wiyvern wrote:Norfolk Boy 1- Town. He claimed tracker and there hasn't been a cc. I don't see any reason to lynch him.
Fair enough.
@Italiano
Do you scumread Norfolk still, even though most players seems to believe their claim and there's been no CC?
After this, Norway and Rockhopper vote Wiyvern after 5 posts, and naturally Italiano realises the chances of getting Norfolk eliminated D1 will be a struggle so jumps on the next easy wagon.
Basically your case is valid in principle, but not in practise because Italiano putting in a lot of effort into explaining why Norfolk is scum is not something i’d picture scum!Italiano do as opposed to town!Italiano.
This leads up to my reason for why i find you a bit suspect. You seem to be making much ado about nothing. First with the chess stuff and now with whatever "misleading" thing about my posts that you’re pointing to here.
Kinda like you’re putting up shades anywhere you can to see if anything sticks.
If you were to purely go off of the wagons that formed fairly quickly (in terms of continuous posts), it's Dunstrall that looks most like a scummy wagon jumper.
I completely missed when first reading that Billy Pilgrim was seemingly encouraging a further role claim in 306. It wasn't a full push for a role claim, but it doesn't quite look right.
this post actually gives off town vibes to me tbh, i can elaborate on this if someone wants (ps im not really good at articulation
What changed?
In post 107, Rockhopper wrote:Well, my initial read was based on just a single post, so it was as weak as it could get
It followed a bunch of wrong premises so it doesn't mean anything anymore.
I have a problem with your current read on padwag given there is/was no content to make you change. If he did something you townread him for, why are you now scumreading him for doing the same thing? And I disagree, I think it does mean something, but you brushing it off isn’t gonna make me go away.
This caught my interest. Rockhoppers explained his read was weak due to it being based off one post, and when he changed his mind Italiano had a problem with it, saying there wasn't enough content to make him change his mind. Content from who? Padwag? It was a weak read, based off one post. Other players had contributed more which could've potentially painted them in a more townie light juxtaposed to Padwag's lack of content, but we won't talk about that- only the fact that Padwag hadn't posted enough to make someone change their mind on their weak initial read.
In post 217, Dunnstral wrote:My justification is that you are giving analysis but it doesn't to anything. You are going with the flow and keeping up with the conversation,
I agree 100%. I was thinking this about Norfolk, but wanted to give him time, which he hasn’t done.
As it has been said before, this could've easily been said of at least 3 different players. Why agree 100% on Norfolk and blindly disregard the others going with the flow? He saw the wagon there when Dunnstral briefly made it E-2 and ever since then it's been
In post 231, ItalianoVD wrote:My ghost vote is on Norfolk Boy right now, but I don’t wanna put him at E-1 yet in case there’s a quickhammer.
In post 266, Billy Pilgrim wrote:
Now I know this is partially messed up by the way i think we both messed up the vote count, but you're still on me. You feel comfortable hammering a wagon that im on?
Yes I am, because potentially getting scum is potentially getting scum; that is the goal. I have non problem doing it because the fact of the matter is I could be wrong. I don’t wanna be so focused on you that I prevent the town from reaching its goal. This sentiment rings true for everyone in the game.
What happened to this?
In post 113, ItalianoVD wrote:Still don’t know why that’s a thing: not voting for your highest scumread.
In post 264, Facebones wrote:Post 187 didn't strike me as something scum Norfolk would do tbh,
although he could be trying to pull the wool over our eyes
. Is this what a WIFOM is?
If that’s how you feel, like if that’s in your mind then you don’t let him wiggle out of it by backing off.
I've gone through this one before, how I thought he was trying to guide me onto the wagon and blahblahblah.
In post 271, ItalianoVD wrote:All this unvoting is bothersome. Why do it? Especially with no explanation. Let’s put him back at E-2.
VOTE: Norfolk Boy1
Again, it feels like he's trying to guide people onto the wagon.
Norfolk then claims town tracker.
In post 308, ItalianoVD wrote:I’m not sure if I believe this. I think you’re really stretching it with all the “crumbs”. I’m sure everyone can go through their posts and highlight words and say they’re crumbing a role.
It seems like Italiano wasn't expecting this and was taken off guard, but still trying to convince everyone that Norfolk is scum and to vote for him despite the claim which he crumbed.
In post 305, Norfolk Boy1 wrote:He was then fixed on Billy, voting for him, casing him and saying he was likely to vote for him come days end.
That’s true, but as you know in this game things change and I felt you were more scummy than Billy. What I said about bakslash in 174 rings true for everyone.
This seems like a very convenient excuse for him to hop from wagon to wagon, sussing out townies to see which one has the best chance of getting eliminated- "I'm not townreading them, but my vote is better off elsewhere."
It wasn't until this point Italiano changes his mind:
In post 346, wiyvern wrote:Norfolk Boy 1- Town. He claimed tracker and there hasn't been a cc. I don't see any reason to lynch him.
Fair enough.
@Italiano
Do you scumread Norfolk still, even though most players seems to believe their claim and there's been no CC?
After this, Norway and Rockhopper vote Wiyvern after 5 posts, and naturally Italiano realises the chances of getting Norfolk eliminated D1 will be a struggle so jumps on the next easy wagon.
Alright Norfolk at this point with no counterclaim this late into the day I’ll have to believe you for now.
Yeah let’s get on this
VOTE: Wiyvern
Something doesn't add up for me.
I think you may be missing the point about Rockhopper.
In post 477, Facebones wrote:This caught my interest. Rockhoppers explained his read was weak due to it being based off one post, and when he changed his mind Italiano had a problem with it, saying there wasn't enough content to make him change his mind.
In post 477, Facebones wrote:It was a weak read, based off one post. Other players had contributed more which could've potentially painted them in a more townie light juxtaposed to Padwag's lack of content, but we won't talk about that-
only the fact that Padwag hadn't posted enough to make someone change their mind on their weak initial read.
Again yes. That was the point. There was no content. If he was townleaning padwag because of his 21 post then unless there is “new” content from padwag that makes Rockhopper think...”hmm, that’s weird, or that’s strange, etc.” then to me he should have either kept townreading him or at the very least just null read him, move off of him and try to sort the other slots. But he changed from a townread to a scumread using the same information. That’s pretty drastic.
Let’s contrast that with my activity on bakslash. When I voted for him in 95 it was to put pressure on the slot. I was hoping he would come in and be more active and provide more content so I could try to sort the slot. But he didn’t and the only post he made after his wagon built up was a nai post that I couldn’t use as solid information to solidify my read, but at that time Billy started pinging my radar which I stated in 106 and then in more detail in 110. So I moved off of bakslash and onto Billy. Then Billy started to make more sense, post more content I agreed with, and began playing like I thought a townie would play despite me never having played with him. I didn’t townread him though. Dunnstral’s overall read of Norfolk made sense to me because I had done an iso on him (Norfolk) and that is what I had come up with.
In post 477, Facebones wrote:As it has been said before, this could've easily been said of at least 3 different players. Why agree 100% on Norfolk and blindly disregard the others going with the flow? He saw the wagon there when Dunnstral briefly made it E-2 and ever since then it's been
Actually no. At the time: Mini, Dunnstral, padwag, and bakslash were not that active. They would come in post one or two times and then be gone for over a day. Norfolk was actually posting content, was way more active than those players, and had more to get a read on. That’s why I fully agreed with Dunnstral.
As far as my voting, I’m fine with it. I’d do it the same way if I could do it again. Regarding the wagon hopping? What are you gonna do? If it makes sense, it makes sense. All the people I voted for or am voting for makes sense in my mind that they are/were scum. I’m not gonna vote for someone I townread, unless the situation calls for it and it depends on how strongly I townread that player. But if you‘re gonna townread people for being first voter on a wagon or scumread people for jumping wagons then I assure you it will hurt your future scumhunting on this site.
The fact of the matter is I have nothing to hide. Just ask me man, don’t assume stuff
