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[DkKoba]

sp ur jksut gonna park ur vote ne me??????????????

[VP Baltar]

VPB, I really hope you understand how a game going as fast as this one is rn gives me trouble, and how scum could abuse it to attempt to get me miselimmed.

Why was this directed at me?

[geraintm]

Yeah I'm pretty sure all these wagons are on town but

but what? but you are happy they all could go through? why not just vote for no elimination over getting rid of someone you think is town?

Dkkoba is VERY town.

Frankly, I'm not seeing it, but I could chalk it up to my decision to skim his posts even before I started skinning the whole thread.

I have zero idea how anyone can ever be certain day 1 that someone is very town. (besides role stuff). like...you know what you are looking for the bad guys can fake? I dismiss everyone who says things like this.

note: I don't want gamma eliminated today, as I think they might be one of the few people in the game I might be able to read later on.

today's elimination is going to be awful, 100% certain to hit town (there is no way scum will let one of their own go today) and then tomorrow everyone will be saying "I didn't want to vote them but I didn't have any better idea and shrug..." and no one will be accountable on day 2 for their actions.

[Flavor Leaf]

Tinfoil, maybe not so tinfoil:

Gera is messaging out to one of his buddies in that last post because a scum is bussing.

DGB/Gera?

[Flavor Leaf]

I’m gonna try not to fall down the DGB rabbit hole yet cuz i feel it comin

[JacksonVirgo]

Tinfoil, maybe not so tinfoil:

Gera is messaging out to one of his buddies in that last post because a scum is bussing.

DGB/Gera?

Could you explain this further?

[JacksonVirgo]

sp ur jksut gonna park ur vote ne me??????????????

Yes I am, scum

[Flavor Leaf]

(there is no way scum will let one of their own go today)

This looks like he’s trying to tell his partners to not let him go down today. Scum don’t have daytalk, right?

[Flavor Leaf]

Maybe it’s not DGB, and now that i look at it again, it doesn’t look like it has to be talking about partners bussing, it can just be a general statement to them. I was just semi tunneled and suspicious of DGB.

[JacksonVirgo]

(there is no way scum will let one of their own go today)

This looks like he’s trying to tell his partners to not let him go down today. Scum don’t have daytalk, right?

I completely forgot that they don’t, that’s possibly a good catch

[geraintm]

Well, I had forgotten that scum don't have day talk too (I have just come from a game where I did). So you are reading too much into that.
And anyways, it doesn't require a private thread for scum to make sure one of their own doesn't go down. Unless every wagon is scum right now, they can easily switch around to someone who is town.

[JacksonVirgo]

Unless every wagon is scum right now,

[JacksonVirgo]

Did they just TMI since they’re one of the larger wagons and didn’t assume that scum was on them for not being on their buddy?

[Flavor Leaf]

I read the rules, unlike most players. And while I often forget, or second guess myself, it's always in the back of my mind that scum don't have daytalk, but there are momentary lapses in that knowledge.

I'm pretty sure it's been brought up multiple times that scum don't have daytalk recently.

[JacksonVirgo]

I read the rules, unlike most players. And while I often forget, or second guess myself, it's always in the back of my mind that scum don't have daytalk, but there are momentary lapses in that knowledge.

I'm pretty sure it's been brought up multiple times that scum don't have daytalk recently.

I’m the one that initially called it out iirc

[Marky Mark]

Hey all

Meant to get on here earlier today but have been glued to the radio listening to the election coverage.

Sorry to hear you're not well JV - I hope you're feeling better soon

[Marky Mark]

@JV: Since when do you post walls???

Also I called not_mafia my soul mason after ONE POST how is that meta you fools

That is the EXACT SAME POST he opens with LITERALLY EVERY SINGLE GAME. I feel this is more like TMI of you're serious (I initially took it as a joke on you part)

P.S. Turned to skim-mode again, but I need to finish catching up before I log off.

So to provide context to this, I have asked DGB a few times now to explain this as she had the N_M slot as her top TR but was SRing Geraint, who functionally has a very similar playstyle. Her response was that she and NM were soulmasons, which explains very little and I have had no joy since getting any more out of her.

[Marky Mark]

I wasn't really feeling an Infinity wagon but

Yeah I'm pretty sure all these wagons are on town but

has definitely made me SR him more.

A little while back his reads were at:

{gerain, koba, DGB, andres, zdenek} is my PoE atm

Is this still your POE given you now claim to be light TRing DGB and Zedenek is being replaced ergo the slot is in limbo?

Pretty much. I didn't mention n_m, who I believe VP townreads for meta reasons, so I was trusting that. I do think he pretend to contribute a bit more as scum. To be more clear:

I doubt scum is here: {VP, JV, gamma, mark}
Not really feeling scum, but could be wrong: {n_m, taylor, DGB, flavor}
The rest: {andres, koba, zdenek, gerain}

I appreciate reads change over time, but it seems odd that the top two wagons are Koba and Geraint (ie people in his POE as of 1401) and he has now come round 180 degrees to thinking these are wagons on town.

It also feels rare to be "pretty sure" of a player's alignment on D1, let alone multiple players (although this may just be poor word choice) - @Infinity, if you really are that confident these slots are all town then why are you sitting on geraint rather than trying to push elsewhere or N/L?

[Infinity 324]

No elims are terrible for town, we just end up in the same situation but with our strongest/towniest player dead. Relying on PRs is bad. There’s way not enough time to get a new wagon to happen.

[VP Baltar]

Y'all. Force a damn claim already. The time to debate wagons has passed

[Marky Mark]

also marky continues to be proven they have scum motivation. They continue to push my elim, told me to show meta reasons and say im acting a"anti town "(lol seriously this is such an extreme reach like ur actually so scummy trying to force a lynch onto the most likely player to solve other than andres)
Its always the scum who have never played with me who think im an easy elim. I know they havent read my meta despite asking fkr a meta defense bc as town they'd realize their argument js bullshit and as scum they'd see that im a bad push

Hey DK

Let's try and work through this together. I'd love to understand how you feel I've "proven" scum motivation as the points you've provided here seem to be opinion rather than fact.

"They continue to push my elim" - I believe you to be scum. As I've said before, I have asked you questions multiple times to try and understand the motivations for your actions this game (and in doing so get a better read on you), but you refuse to answer these.

"Told me to show meta reasons" - After I pointed out the several things you've done this game that I SR you for, you said

"or ur purposefully avoiding reading previous games so u can keep pretending it is a scumtell for me
"

in 1345 ie using meta as a defence. As

you

were the one so keen to use meta as a defence, I offered you the opportunity to do that. I'm not going to read up on the past game history of every single slot as I simply don't have the time/capacity, but I am open-minded and happy to give slots the opportunity to articleuate key points if they think they are important (which you then declined to do).

"and say im acting a"anti town" - I have explained and justified this POV due to your discrediting/undermining, refusal to answer reasonable questions (eg about your inconsistencies like 909) or justify/substantiate the many allegations you have made this game. If there are any of these points you feel are incorrect you are more than welcome to refute them. Whether or not you are most likely to solve this game, is ofc not something we can tell objectively right now, but as you are baying for my blood from my POV you're not off to a great start.

[Marky Mark]

once again ppl ignore obvious slips i catch and go on to miselim town weeee

You're starting to sound like a certain well-known US president right now (I say this 100% in jest and only mean in the way that you both make completely unsubstantiated allegations as your modus operandi)

[DkKoba]

im hungovrt and we should still lim mark the openwolf

[DkKoba]

ur twisting my words on purpose

[DkKoba]

ur actually pretty grimy and im a bit upset but ill let it slide cause its a game but consider not borderline gaslighting someone just to get them limmed bc its not ok