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[Menalque]

so you still think lilith is scummy or not?

Idk yet, she hasnt been posting
What with people in the us probably being distracted last night i'll givr her like a day, and if posting doesnt improve to town!lilith willl go back there

okay, but you thought she was scummy yesterday no?

[Menalque]

I think, if anything, the self-vote makes it slightly less likely there are two on but really at this point I wouldn't care to call it either way. I would, as a rule, lean towards it being 1 or 2 on at this point without more info tho

Ummmmm why does self-vote imply there's not two on?

bc the self-vote means the wagon goes through easier and it makes it less clear how much scum had to support it to get it through

[Uncrowned]

@Mena

Both you and TGP were both "set" on Infinity and then dropped that idea for a wagon that neither of you seemed invested in at all. in fact, TGP even went as far as to say that they're "not on board with eliminating her (DGB) under any circumstances" on D1 and that they "doesn't buy the wagon" but yet decided to drop that whole mentality because she... made a claim? A claim that wasn't countered? A claim that would've been real dumb to fake considering the setup?

It just makes no sense to me.

You also behaved similarly

[Menalque]

also, rightly or wrongly, a lot of people still see self-votes as scummy/throwy and will vote people for them, thereby making it less clear if it's a "GTFO of here" vote from town, or an opportunistic scum vote

[Uncrowned]

Also Mena you not engaging with Infinity after he replied to your push on him and then changing wagons looks pretty bad to me

[skitter30]

but this makes very little sense for scum!me to do unless you think I was lolbussing infinity from the moment I entered and dropped off to save him

Scum!you gets the easy dgb wagon by switching off, while town!you would have had to put in work to make infinity happen, which scum!you has little reason to do if you can just vote dgb

[Uncrowned]

You also said you'd compromise on DGB "if we ran out of time" but as far as I'm concerned we could've gotten more out of the day. It's not like you were forced to change that vote due to time pressure.

[Menalque]

Both you and TGP were both "set" on Infinity and then dropped that idea for a wagon that neither of you seemed invested in at all. in fact, TGP even went as far as to say that they're "not on board with eliminating her (DGB) under any circumstances" on D1 and that they "doesn't buy the wagon" but yet decided to drop that whole mentality because she... made a claim? A claim that wasn't countered? A claim that would've been real dumb to fake considering the setup?

It just makes no sense to me.

You also behaved similarly

I mean, first up, I was pushing infinity but I said multiple times (I think almost from when I repped in?) that I was fine with a DGB elim D1. I made that very, very clear throughout

I wasn't around for the claim (I had a busy weekend, up to you to decide if you believe this or not) but tbh I think I would quite likely have pushed her for it anyway, I don't think PGO is a bad claim to fake as scum bc it disincentivises a checking/invest to follow you. might not endgame with it, but it would buy you a while

I'm struggling to see why you think TGP and I were behaving similarly if he'd said he was strongly against eliminating her and pivoted there whereas I consistently said id' be willing to compromise there even if I preferred infinity

[skitter30]

I think your focus on my DGB vote is v weird

Well i think your vote was weird (and bad, and scummy), so

I basically think town!you would have tried to make infinity more viable, while scum!you saw an easy lolvote on someone imploding and took it

[skitter30]

okay, but you thought she was scummy yesterday no?

Yes, but she had a covid scare yesterday, which also might explain the altered posting patterns

[skitter30]

bc the self-vote means the wagon goes through easier and it makes it less clear how much scum had to support it to get it through

I'm not sure i buy that logic

[Menalque]

Also Mena you not engaging with Infinity after he replied to your push on him and then changing wagons looks pretty bad to me

I mean I can explain that p easily

I saw his big post but was tired and didn't feel like trying to decide if it was genuine scum hunting or not

DGB was making a big deal about how shit the game was and how she didn't wanna play.

I decided it would be easier to sort the scummy infinity slot who was at least trying to meet his wincon than to work out if disengaged DGB was scum or town

You also said you'd compromise on DGB "if we ran out of time" but as far as I'm concerned we could've gotten more out of the day. It's not like you were forced to change that vote due to time pressure.

I kinda already explained in the point above, but the whole reason I was willing to compromise was because I found her consistently scummy

like I'm failing to see what the argument here is? scum!me would feel like jumping off my top SR to a slightly lower SR is going to look good for me?

[Menalque]

I think your focus on my DGB vote is v weird

Well i think your vote was weird (and bad, and scummy), so

I basically think town!you would have tried to make infinity more viable, while scum!you saw an easy lolvote on someone imploding and took it

you've played with scum!me, and I'm really struggling to see you actually believing this and it's making me think you're scum

you know very well that if there's one characteristic of my game *in general* it's a good awareness of how I'm perceived in thread, and that I resist going for the easy LHF consistently because I know it will look bad later

if you were making the argument that I jumped off to WIFOM ("ahh, I'd never do this as scum my game is too good I wouldn't be so obvious!") then I'd at least think that this was a genuine approach

I really don't think that town!you thinks that I care enough about eliminating DGB > infinity to decide to look worse in thread to achieve that, unless, again, you think I was lolbussing infinity from the moment I entered the game

[JacksonVirgo]

Sorry, you're right, idk why i missed/did that
What about the vote placement makes tgp town?

Rarely would scum vote right up their partners ass

[Menalque]

VOTE: skitter

[JacksonVirgo]

Sorry, you're right, idk why i missed/did that
What about the vote placement makes tgp town?

Rarely would scum vote right up their partners ass

Again I said that was assuming peta is scum which I am believing

[skitter30]

Spoiler:

Also there’s one player here who’s like, intensely scummy and hasn’t been pressured at all lmao

I would prefer them to DGB but I can compromise with doing DGBif we can’t get the votes there in time

"I say notes

Here’s a readslist

skitt (obligatory TR)
S_S — strong town
PP, dave, hoopla — town
petapan, uncrowned — town lean/town with reservations
Pine — true neutral
DGB, dunn, TGP — nullscum
JV — scumlean
lil — scum
Infinity — obvscum

Update:

Dave looking a little worse for sheeping onto DGB, unless DGB is, in fact, scum

DGB looking fucking awful for the lilith push but skitt’s right that it could totally be bussing.

If both of DGB and lil are town then skitter is probably scum with infinity

S_S could be scum with lilith maybe

Uncrowned is notably townier than I had him before

Hoopla still town and idk if I get the wagon there

JV maybe is town actually? Idk. I probably shouldn’t be reading alignment too hard from this, but his apology to uncrowned specifically for not playing harder seems less likely to come from scum while not under pressure

Mostly I just want a flip, DGB or infinity would both be fine

JV is actually surprisingly high posting for saying he’s disengaged, idk if that says anything AI but it pings me as interesting to say the least"

Hmmm you are actually being consistent in a way that's kinda unlikely to come from scum imo

[Dunnstral]

Manlque was fairly obviously blocked, stopping the kill don't out town pr, elim through claim:

VOTE: Menalque

[Dunnstral]

Hoopla and Skitter are playing this weird

[JacksonVirgo]

Wait did a PR clakm

[JacksonVirgo]

I didn’t even know they were essentially red checked, yeah I’m parking my vote here

[Menalque]

peak lilith wagon voters:

PenguinPower

,

Uncrowned

,

petapan

,

DrippingGoofball

,

Infinity 324

,

davesaz

early DGB switch voters:

lilith2013

,

petapan

,

davesaz

,

Infinity 324

,

skitter30

final DGB wagon voters:

lilith2013

,

davesaz

,

Infinity 324

,

Menalque

,

PenguinPower

,

petapan

,

TheGoldenParadox

,

DrippingGoofball

mena D2 voters:

skitter30

,

lilith2013

,

Infinity 324

,

JV

,

hoopla

key:

1 wagon

2 wagons

3 wagons

4 wagons

conftown

[Menalque]

Wait did a PR clakm

I didn’t even know they were essentially red checked, yeah I’m parking my vote here

they did not!

[Menalque]

incidentally, I think I'm now at

L-1

[Menalque]

yeah, I'm at L-1 with Dunn's vote