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[Menalque]

yeah, it's like the "Jackson" thing crossed with the avi that I just wasn't looking too hard and kind of assumed. now I've registered it in my head I'm normally pretty good about remembering

[Menalque]

JV, how good would you say your reads are in general?

[Menalque]

also, what's your read on Dave?

[Menalque]

so you're scum now trying to anti-spew

incidentally, lol

'trying'

[Menalque]

also, JV, when I townflip what does that do for your reads and your "scum has no reason to yeet you N1 theory"

like when that's public information, what avenue are you going to pursue tomorrow?

[JacksonVirgo]

JV, how good would you say your reads are in general?

Hard to tell recently and it depends on how into the game I am. If I'm super into the game I can nail at least one scum D1 most of the time, unless they're super good.

For example, in my recent Bats mini normal game I nailed one scum on the head (shellyc) and in a semi-recent newbie game I got both D1. Although if I'm not too into a game for any reason or if I'm in too many/too busy to play my reads somewhat fall down a bit. It's like a 20-30% difference though. Like my peta read is probably not as accurate as my shelly read from that game but it's still extremely likely to flip mafia imo.

Usually my strongest read is mainly based on things I can't really word properly so I've gotta get better at expressing my thoughts properly through the forums and I've been trying to get better with that.

Did that answer it or did I got on a tangent unknowingly

[JacksonVirgo]

also, JV, when I townflip what does that do for your reads and your "scum has no reason to yeet you N1 theory"

like when that's public information, what avenue are you going to pursue tomorrow?

I don't like the wording "when/public info" but I'll hear you out. If you do flip town, I will assume that a doctor caught a kill over you being attacked outright. I severely doubt that mafia attacked you over skitter/uncrowned considering their position in the town.

[JacksonVirgo]

so you're scum now trying to anti-spew

incidentally, lol

'trying'

What do you mean

[Uncrowned]

Mena/JV definitely looked S/S for a while there, the nonsense arguments when mena probably gets limmed today. Interesting move for mena to start TRing jackson though.

That did not look like scum theatre to me at all.

[JacksonVirgo]

also, what's your read on Dave?

ngl I've been dead focused on other people that they're kinda null-town to me.

[JacksonVirgo]

69 award goes to Uncrowned.
420 award goes to PenguinPower.
666 award also goes to PenguinPower.

[Uncrowned]

I do think that if you were to flip green Mena, the team probably would have Infinity/Skitter in it. I've been trying to give credence to your Infinity read and I do think it could be more accurate than I first thought. Upon my first couple readings of it I did think it was a bit of a reach, but given the way other slots have been playing he doesn't look as good as I remember him.

Also FWIW on JV... from what I can remember they're kind of playing the way I remember them as town in terms of like... core values, I guess? The whole "I can't be bothered" thing actually is something I am inclined to believe is something they'd say as town.

[Uncrowned]

If you flip red, I'm thinking the other two are between Dave/TGP/Dunn.

[Menalque]

I will assume that a doctor caught a kill over you being attacked outright

how does this fit with lili claiming to have JK me and us knowing that the PGO/1s vig slot was already dead

[Hoopla]

feel convinced by this late E-1 hustle from menalque. it takes a rare scumbag to pull off this level fake-theorising/game-solving when the sweet release of death is just around the corner.

anyway

UNVOTE:

for now.

until i have time to think about this properly.

[Menalque]

so you're scum now trying to anti-spew

incidentally, lol

'trying'

What do you mean

I mean anti-spew or wrongspewing is something I'm consistently like very good at as scum, and when I have gone down as scum early-ish my spew has pretty much always helped my partners (either to a win, or I think in other games where I've died early my partner(s) have mostly made it to a minimum of lylo)

[Menalque]

so I wouldn't be 'trying' to anti-spew as scum rn

I would be successfully anti-spewing or successfully setting up people who aren't my partners

[Infinity 324]

May be biased because I just finished a game where basically-confirmed-scum kept trying to pretend to gamesolve, but I don't agree with hoopla here. Some people are just tenacious.

[JacksonVirgo]

I will assume that a doctor caught a kill over you being attacked outright

how does this fit with lili claiming to have JK me and us knowing that the PGO/1s vig slot was already dead

What do you mean? The PGO and the JKer aren't in the doctors slot.

Also for setup spec stuff. Why would scum choose JKer over Roleblocker. Rber has the doctor on their ass field whereas JKer has tracker which is much weaker in comparison which makes Lilith town especially as the #1 picker.

[JacksonVirgo]

so I wouldn't be 'trying' to anti-spew as scum rn

I would be successfully anti-spewing or successfully setting up people who aren't my partners

Dude, why are you twisting my words you know what I meant and you saying that makes me more confident that's what you're trying to do if you are scum here.

[JacksonVirgo]

Also, if you were scum here. And you are successfully anti-spewing, you would actually be trying as I called you out. Checkmate lmfao

[JacksonVirgo]

May be biased because I just finished a game where basically-confirmed-scum kept trying to pretend to gamesolve, but I don't agree with hoopla here. Some people are just tenacious.

Seconded here, especially with what they just outted that they do

[Menalque]

I'm like, a tiny bit high and generally in a super good mood today which is why I don't mind walking through this all today, but if it's a thing where I'm always getting elim'd if infinity flips town then I'd rather be flipped first today because it's very dispiriting making an effort to townspew yourself only to then getting eliminated for your trouble the next day because you got a read wrong

I am making specific reference to this game, where I soft defended scum D1 (something I never do when scum, pretty much), hard effort on D2 to avoid being mis-elim'd, and then bc I was wrong about who I eventually pivoted to, got eliminated despite all that effort

so I'm gonna say the same thing I did there as I am here: if you decide I'm town today, you fucking stick to it and you bring me through the endgame regardless of whether I'm wrong on infinity/skitter or not. if you're not willing to make that commitment despite me hard efforting today (and I am willing to, but only if this condition is met) then you elim me today and listen to my reads while deciding elims for the next couple of days

[Hoopla]

May be biased because I just finished a game where basically-confirmed-scum kept trying to pretend to gamesolve, but I don't agree with hoopla here. Some people are just tenacious.

i mean, he might be one of those rare characters, sure.

but we have time.

we fluffed around for 50+ pages on D1 only to execute a plaintive goofball. i want a couple more days to sort this out.

[Uncrowned]

so I wouldn't be 'trying' to anti-spew as scum rn

I would be successfully anti-spewing or successfully setting up people who aren't my partners

Dude, why are you twisting my words you know what I meant and you saying that makes me more confident that's what you're trying to do if you are scum here.

unless they are putting on an incredible performance right now this looks like it's straight out of the Town!JV handbook... although I probably need to read a Scum!JV before I make that judgement lmao