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[TheGoldenParadox]

my vote on mena is also mechanical because of lillith's claim

wow, that's convenient!

so convenient! a player who is guaranteed to be a power role claimed jailkeeper on a slot that is incredibly unlikely to be nightkilled, and no nightkills occured.

why am I so unlikely to be a NK, TGP

you've played with me

am I not a threat to scum?

you are a threat to scum
but a large portion of this playerlist is a threat to scum, including people who are far more likely to be actual powerroles come on

[petapan]

but i do think that i can look at someone's play and look at their position in the draft and what they have said to arrive at a reasonable conclusion

but you mostly seem to be not actually trying to sort people in the top part of the draft

[Something_Smart]

S_S I'd appreciate your thoughts on my TGP read

Looking through your arguments the only thing that resonates with me is pointing out how incongruous 1369 is with the rest of TGP's trajectory.

It's a really awful post, and it reads like a bad excuse to jump on a mis-exe wagon. But I'm not convinced that scum-TGP would feel the need to jump on that wagon? DGB was self-destructing.

So I think it looks bad, but it feels mostly just bad and not scummy, unless TGP's scumgame is so incompetent that he wouldn't realize jumping on a mis-exe that you were previously defending looks bad (and I doubt it is).

[Menalque]

you are a threat to scum
but a large portion of this playerlist is a threat to scum, including people who are far more likely to be actual powerroles come on

none of those people hardclaimed cop tho

and also, why is it implausible that either (1) scum!infinity freaked out and wanted me dead after D1 or (2) that the doc got a save on uncrowned/skitt on the same night I was JK'd?

[Menalque]

do you think there are 2 scum in the 4's, TGP?

[TheGoldenParadox]

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... er_sort=Go

I also just played with TGP and this is what I mean when I say they feel totally different here

i mean, weird times and all.

[Something_Smart]

I mean, it doesn't have to be this way if y'all choose not for it to be

Well, obviously. My point was just that I think it's highly unlikely that enough people would come around to townreading you strongly enough to drop pressure on you entirely.

[TheGoldenParadox]

do you think there are 2 scum in the 4's, TGP?

yes absolutely

those two scum are pp and hoopla

[Menalque]

so scum... intentionally nuke their chances of having good PRs... allowing them to be caught or eliminated by town having a BOUNTY of PRs... for some WIFOM... that evaporates in usefulness the second one of them gets caught/tracked/whatever, or they just get PoE'd? that's what you're saying you think scum did in the draft phase?

[TheGoldenParadox]

you are a threat to scum
but a large portion of this playerlist is a threat to scum, including people who are far more likely to be actual powerroles come on

none of those people hardclaimed cop tho

and also, why is it implausible that either (1) scum!infinity freaked out and wanted me dead after D1 or (2) that the doc got a save on uncrowned/skitt on the same night I was JK'd?

i mean i don't think it's likely that you're actually a cop
and don't you commonly lolclaim

[Menalque]

I mean, it doesn't have to be this way if y'all choose not for it to be

Well, obviously. My point was just that I think it's highly unlikely that enough people would come around to townreading you strongly enough to drop pressure on you entirely.

give me time friend
we can do a rerun of anuket topaz where almost everyone is TRing me by the end of today and then one slot stubbornly insists it's me tomorrow in spite of the wealth of evidence to the contrary, at which point we can speed elim me while I'm not around and I can go and be salty about how obvtown I was in dead thread and root for the scumteam

[Menalque]

you are a threat to scum
but a large portion of this playerlist is a threat to scum, including people who are far more likely to be actual powerroles come on

none of those people hardclaimed cop tho

and also, why is it implausible that either (1) scum!infinity freaked out and wanted me dead after D1 or (2) that the doc got a save on uncrowned/skitt on the same night I was JK'd?

i mean i don't think it's likely that you're actually a cop
and don't you commonly lolclaim

why should scum think that's unlikely tho

especially when there's a game very recently where a player toward the bottom end of the draft rolled cop

and I do, yes, but I also make my real claims look like lolclaims sometimes to fuck with scum

[TheGoldenParadox]

so scum... intentionally nuke their chances of having good PRs... allowing them to be caught or eliminated by town having a BOUNTY of PRs... for some WIFOM... that evaporates in usefulness the second one of them gets caught/tracked/whatever, or they just get PoE'd? that's what you're saying you think scum did in the draft phase?

there aren't that many PRs that are incredibly powerful for scum in any case, and i think hoopla pp and you would that gamble

it explains why dgb got the vig slot

it explains them choosing informed instead of multitasking

it explains hoopla's weird interactions with PP and her entire 4s thing

the scumteam is hoopla penguin and menal

[Something_Smart]

ducky, can we get a prod on Best Bird pls?

Spoiler:

That would be rude, Taly's not even in the game

[TheGoldenParadox]

you are a threat to scum
but a large portion of this playerlist is a threat to scum, including people who are far more likely to be actual powerroles come on

none of those people hardclaimed cop tho

and also, why is it implausible that either (1) scum!infinity freaked out and wanted me dead after D1 or (2) that the doc got a save on uncrowned/skitt on the same night I was JK'd?

i mean i don't think it's likely that you're actually a cop
and don't you commonly lolclaim

why should scum think that's unlikely tho

especially when there's a game very recently where a player toward the bottom end of the draft rolled cop

and I do, yes, but I also make my real claims look like lolclaims sometimes to fuck with scum

because you're near the bottom of the draft and cop is a commonly taken role
yes i know you do (our last game) but hypothetically if you were town, scum wouldn't know that

[Something_Smart]

JV in particular was like "oh is there a red check? I didn't see. where's the red check?"

Oh yeah this is a good point. If Menalque flips scum that post has a lot of partner equity.

[Menalque]

and i think hoopla pp and you would that gamble

objection, I wasn't in the game when the decision would have been taken

[Menalque]

because you're near the bottom of the draft and cop is a commonly taken role
yes i know you do (our last game) but hypothetically if you were town, scum wouldn't know that

is it actually taken that commonly in practice? I haven't run the actual numbers or looked at the games

and I mean... if you're scum, scum would know that?

[Menalque]

JV in particular was like "oh is there a red check? I didn't see. where's the red check?"

Oh yeah this is a good point. If Menalque flips scum that post has a lot of partner equity.

can't tell if this is a joke post or not

[Something_Smart]

To be fair here I would never consider that either.

Why not?

I'm definitely considering it. Menalque is a strong player, and not many people expressed a scumread of him before today.

[Something_Smart]

can't tell if this is a joke post or not

It's not a joke, though I'm only talking about that one post (1544) and not JV overall.

[Menalque]

can't tell if this is a joke post or not

It's not a joke, though I'm only talking about that one post (1544) and not JV overall.

wasn't sure because I had that series of posts with lilith talking about how my interactions with JV are absolutely nothing like what they'd look like if we were scum together, but are exactly what they'd look like if I were scum trying to set up an innocent JV to go down after me

[skitter30]

actually skitter seems to not be considering at all that you could have been the NK target

Nah it's a semi-viable universe, but still doesnt fit with my reads entirely:

Like my thought process was: what if mena was the nk last night -> what did lilith do last night -> if she's town she blocked the nk -> if she's scum wtf is she claiming even

If town and she blocked the nk -> like idk it just doesnf *fit* with the gamestate i'm seeing

Like Idk who tries to nk him here. I know it wasnt me. If you're scum i think you try for me over mena. Idk if ss goes out of his way to do that. And if scum doesnt have one of those people listed just above on the team, mena is a *super random* nk

This is kinda my thought process ^

[skitter30]

Like why dont i townread you yet ????

I have plenty of theories, but I'm not actually sure you want to hear them

Kinda curious to hear them

Bleh more i wanna say, tonight tho ^

[Menalque]

Like Idk who tries to nk him here

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