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[Something_Smart]

wasn't sure because I had that series of posts with lilith talking about how my interactions with JV are absolutely nothing like what they'd look like if we were scum together, but are exactly what they'd look like if I were scum trying to set up an innocent JV to go down after me

Yeah, I know. If you are scum I won't really be attempting to read into anything you did today, for exactly that reason.

[Menalque]

is it not possible or even plausible that scum targeted me for the NK as a generally fairly strong player who's annoying to try and kill via dayplay, and who they thought was unlikely to have the doctor on them (in the case that scum are aware there's a doctor in play)?

[Menalque]

wasn't sure because I had that series of posts with lilith talking about how my interactions with JV are absolutely nothing like what they'd look like if we were scum together, but are exactly what they'd look like if I were scum trying to set up an innocent JV to go down after me

Yeah, I know. If you are scum I won't really be attempting to read into anything you did today, for exactly that reason.

it's already in your head tho

[Menalque]

I'm in your brain, S_S

[skitter30]

is it not possible or even plausible that scum targeted me for the NK as a generally fairly strong player who's annoying to try and kill via dayplay, and who they thought was unlikely to have the doctor on them (in the case that scum are aware there's a doctor in play)?

Eh i guess fair enough. Not sure how much the rest of the pl would think that way tho ^

[skitter30]

I really want to resolve my lilith read

[skitter30]

Maybe i'm like horrifically tunneled but i'm still having a hard time wrapping my head around town!lilith

[Menalque]

I'll check lil tonight if I don't get killed during the day and if she doesn't jail me again

[skitter30]

Mena at this point it's incredibly obvious that's a fakeclam: you literaly never protested losing a result by being rb'd, ans didnt start the day wondering what happened to your result

Also i forgot that was a thing

Also lilith did u take his fakeclaim into account when you were deciding to target him?

[davesaz]

so scum... intentionally nuke their chances of having good PRs... allowing them to be caught or eliminated by town having a BOUNTY of PRs... for some WIFOM... that evaporates in usefulness the second one of them gets caught/tracked/whatever, or they just get PoE'd? that's what you're saying you think scum did in the draft phase?

If they're a good talker and someone who gets townread for saying nothing, absolutely possible they'd double numbers and expect to not get caught. Someone whose legend makes them invulnerable to a PoE and unlikely to be targeted for an investigation because they yammer on about how scum must have gone for PRs. What better way to make TPRs waste their time than by yelling that all scum are singletons?

[Menalque]

Mena at this point it's incredibly obvious that's a fakeclam

that's what I want them to think

[Menalque]

hypothetically skitt, if it IS a fakeclaim, what's the benefit to pointing that out as opposed to acting like you think it's serious to try to bait scum into NKing me (which also resolves the problem of needing to sort my slot on play)

[davesaz]

To be fair here I would never consider that either.

Why not?

I'm definitely considering it. Menalque is a strong player, and not many people expressed a scumread of him before today.

Because I expect kills to aim for PRs. <If you doubt this just remember that I'm totally a mechanics based player>

[skitter30]

Your play already belied it's fake, there's no point pretending, i dont you suddenly acting the part again amd me believing it is what's going to tip the scale on you being likely to be nk'd or not

[skitter30]

Maybe i'm like horrifically tunneled but i'm still having a hard time wrapping my head around town!lilith

Does anybody townread lilith on play ???

[Menalque]

Your play already belied it's fake, there's no point pretending, i dont you suddenly acting the part again amd me believing it is what's going to tip the scale on you being likely to be nk'd or not

eh, that's probably fair, yeh I am VT

Maybe i'm like horrifically tunneled but i'm still having a hard time wrapping my head around town!lilith

Does anybody townread lilith on play ???

no

[Menalque]

^that said, I do think her claiming a JK on me as scum is at the very least quite an ~out there~ thing to do if she's scum

[Menalque]

S_S, what is your read on me at this point anyway?

[lilith2013]

again (? actually not sure if I've said this explicitly) I just assumed that anyone low in the draft pick didn't get a PR, which is why I thought it was safe to JK you in the first place.

[petapan]

S_S, what is your read on me at this point anyway?

yeah it doesn't seem a likely play at all

[davesaz]

Maybe i'm like horrifically tunneled but i'm still having a hard time wrapping my head around town!lilith

Does anybody townread lilith on play ???

If you're asking about reading her on her posting, no I'm not reading her at all. Very null on posting.

[Something_Smart]

Maybe i'm like horrifically tunneled but i'm still having a hard time wrapping my head around town!lilith

I feel like the only thing I can offer here is that it's probably true that lilith's townrange is bigger than you think it is? Especially when she's a PR in an unusual setup and she was playing intentionally under the radar and she had RL issues.

I think the way she's played her role has been fairly towny, and besides, she's got a strong enough role that it doesn't make sense to kill her early anyway-- if she's scum and we manage to kill both of her partners, then she basically autoloses, and she can't really use her role in a scummy way (i.e. blocking town PR's) since she's claimed it.

[Something_Smart]

Because I expect kills to aim for PRs. <If you doubt this just remember that I'm totally a mechanics based player>

I'm a mechanics based player too, but that doesn't prevent me from acknowledging that not everyone thinks as mechanically as I do. Just because you wouldn't kill Menalque doesn't mean nobody would.

[Something_Smart]

S_S, what is your read on me at this point anyway?

On play probably slightly leaning town?

Factoring in mechanics probably slightly leaning scum because I do think that, if lilith did stop the kill, it's more likely that you tried to kill and were blocked than that you were the kill target, especially now that you claimed VT.

[Menalque]

On play probably slightly leaning town?

Only slightly?