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[Menalque]

Can everyone still on me explain clearly and briefly why I’m scum to them, if they haven’t already?

[skitter30]

she's got a strong enough role that it doesn't make sense to kill her early anyway-- if she's scum and we manage to kill both of her partners, then she basically autoloses, and she can't really use her role in a scummy way (i.e. blocking town PR's) since she's claimed it

Eh fair, this assauges my concerns a bit

I dont think i can vote out mena rn on the basis of the jk tho

[Something_Smart]

Only slightly?

I don't think I've ever seen your scumgame, but I wouldn't expect it to be all that different from your towngame, especially considering a lot of your initial reads were pre-role-PM.

[Menalque]

Weren’t you in GnR the third?

[Menalque]

Also I think I’ve played against you twice when I’ve been scum because I think I referenced GnR the third to throw you off me in the other one

Although I might be confusing you with datisi or icon or someone else

[Something_Smart]

Weren’t you in GnR the third?

Right, I blocked that game out lol.

Iirc I was only really able to catch you around D3 or so?

[Menalque]

Yeah, you were inGnR the third, I just checked it, it’s the game the quote in my sig is from

[Something_Smart]

Also I think I’ve played against you twice when I’ve been scum because I think I referenced GnR the third to throw you off me in the other one

Was it a DonCorleone game? For a while I didn't know that was you.

[Menalque]

Weren’t you in GnR the third?

Right, I blocked that game out lol.

Iirc I was only really able to catch you around D3 or so?

Correct, it was when I started pushing you as a misguillo because you were viable but not the best candidate for lylo

[Menalque]

Also I think I’ve played against you twice when I’ve been scum because I think I referenced GnR the third to throw you off me in the other one

Was it a DonCorleone game? For a while I didn't know that was you.

Ooooh might’ve been yeah, not sure

Although the only DC scumgame was a PyP game

[Something_Smart]

I don't remember. What I know is that I don't have a mental model of how your scumgame differs from your towngame; in G&R III you were ~scummy~ but that game was so low-effort from everyone that it's not like the situation is really comparable to this game where stuff is actually happening.

[Menalque]

Oh yeah, that’s where I’ve played with you JV! It was the elmo teh azn PyP game!

[Menalque]

that game was so low-effort from everyone

I feel like that’s a little unfair

But ehh I take your broader point

[Menalque]

You have a mental model of my towngame?

[Something_Smart]

I mean, maybe you don't adjust your play like that, but I got the impression that you were lazier there because you correctly figured that it didn't matter. I know I've had scumgames like that; Timeshift IV comes to mind.

Pedit: I mean it's pretty nebulous but yes I have ways that I roughly expect you to act when you're town, as I would assume you have for me as well.

[Menalque]

Would u believe me if I told u that the only metric I sort u by now is if ur posts make me laugh or not?

[Menalque]

I mean, maybe you don't adjust your play like that, but I got the impression that you were lazier there because you correctly figured that it didn't matter.

Spoiler:

it’s more just that the flow of the game didn’t need it once we were in control, imo

I think D1 and D4 in particular were quite strongly contested (the setup and the coup de grace) it’s just that people weren’t that motivated in the middle and so I didn’t need to be either, just had to make sure things didn’t go off the rails

I just feel like it was overall a game where we didn’t win bc town handed it to us by not playing, it’s that in the bits where people /did/ play we managed to manipulate things to our advantage so that we didn’t need to play so hard in the midgame

I only called out the point at all because the perfect win in that game is something I’m fairly proud of

[Something_Smart]

Would u believe me if I told u that the only metric I sort u by now is if ur posts make me laugh or not?

No, because you said you had a townread on me for reasons you didn't want to share.

[Menalque]

Then uh

My townread on you is for other super secret but very very valid reasons

[davesaz]

Because I expect kills to aim for PRs. <If you doubt this just remember that I'm totally a mechanics based player>

I'm a mechanics based player too, but that doesn't prevent me from acknowledging that not everyone thinks as mechanically as I do. Just because you wouldn't kill Menalque doesn't mean nobody would.

The way I play often colors how I view others. I once had RC jump all over me for not bodyguarding him, and especially because I said I valued my town day play in that game over sacrificing myself to stop a kill on him. No, I don't automatically assume a so-called dangerous player will be the NK.

[Menalque]

I vaguely remember that game

[Something_Smart]

There is a middle ground between "assuming a likely PR will be the NK" and "assuming a dangerous player will be the NK"...

[Menalque]

The point is not “automatically assume a dangerous player will be the NK”


The point is “why does it seem unreasonable to you that /other players here/ might consider me a significant enough threat to get rid of me at night, even if you would not do so because you think that kill would be best used on PR hunting?”

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