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[Menalque]

yoinks

[TheGoldenParadox]

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... er_sort=Go

I also just played with TGP and this is what I mean when I say they feel totally different here

i'm going over this and they read decently similarly? what are you seeing this game that's so different?

I think they were significantly more pro-active, less tunnel-y and more focused on sorting the PL in general, had a much more light-hearted tone, and were very interested in working with me

I also really hated their vote on me and the way they made it

i was super interested in working with you d1. i'm voting you because there's essentially a guilty on you, and you've claimed vt so it's not like we're losing a town pr.
it just makes no sense to me that you would be nked n1 over players who would be nked n1 for their strength AND are far more likely to be prs.

[petapan]

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... er_sort=Go

I also just played with TGP and this is what I mean when I say they feel totally different here

i'm going over this and they read decently similarly? what are you seeing this game that's so different?

I think they were significantly more pro-active, less tunnel-y and more focused on sorting the PL in general, had a much more light-hearted tone, and were very interested in working with me

I also really hated their vote on me and the way they made it

i guess you have a point in that they were a lot more willing to actually interface with people and discuss things with them, yeah

[Infinity 324]

Mena/skitter interactions super feel like T/T, there's an attitude of "I'm paranoid of you but hope you're town and want to work with you"

[Menalque]

i was super interested in working with you d1. i'm voting you because there's essentially a guilty on you, and you've claimed vt so it's not like we're losing a town pr.
it just makes no sense to me that you would be nked n1 over players who would be nked n1 for their strength AND are far more likely to be prs

yet you also made a thing about how my reads are bad bc my SRs are concentrated in the PRs, and you called out that you think that the scum strat was to have 2 in the 4s (and I guess 1 5 who was supposed to get a PR) in order for town to like eat themselves or something and I don't think that's a likely scum strat at all

and also you're hung up on the "why would scum NK mena N1" thing when we've already covered that there are at /least/ a couple of plausible explanations for there being no NK on N1 that don't necessarily imply that the reason there was no NK has anything to do with me being JK'd

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vote count 2.09

Menalque (4)

: lilith2013, JacksonVirgo, Dunnstral, TheGoldenParadox

TheGoldenParadox (4)

: Uncrowned, Best Bird, skitter30, Menalque

JacksonVirgo (1)

: petapan

Not voting

: davesaz, Something_Smart, Hoopla, Infinity 324

Deadline: (expired on 2020-11-13 13:00:00)

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to eliminate.

mod notes

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[Menalque]

like the whole "I'm fine eliminating you because you've now claimed VT" thing seems lowkey kinda lazy in a game that's this PR heavy

yes, I'm aware of the irony after my insistence that shelly should die in the mini-normal

[skitter30]

why is Dave in the weaker tier? I thought you were quite confident on him after his reaction yesterday at EoD

also, JV I'm kinda surprised isn't higher, I thought you were quite confident there

also, I don't disagree on the penguin, but what's making you put him up at around the top tier? same for S_S?

i dont' think i was townreading him *that* strongly at eod yesterday
(and if i was i don't remember it)
and rn the read doesn't feel that strong

the top tier is people i'm super super super confident are town. jv is like probably town but the read isn't that strong. like you're on the same level

penguin i can sometimes just kinda tell he's town and i think he's town here, and i like that he came around to scum!tgp before it was popular

ss is also kinda behaving in a way that i feel is congruent with town!him

i know that these might not be super helpful but i'm a little more busy these days and not reading the thread quite *as carefully* so a lot of my reads boil down to like ~vibes~ that i get from reading a lot of posts kinda quickly that i don't necessarily have all the concrete details to back up without going back and rereading like nice chunks of the thread

[TheGoldenParadox]

menal you're pinging me so hard as town

[skitter30]

skitter talk to me about s_s and penguin? I also had them as town but I was gonna re-evaluate because I can't remember super specific reasons why

see above. i can try harder if needed but that's the best i can explain without re-isoing rn

[TheGoldenParadox]

the problem is like
you're so good of a scumplayer i don't trust my own reads over the strong mechanical evidence that you're scum

[skitter30]

in real time / in context they were absurdly town

okay, why

he came up with that explanation /follow up *really* fast (in like a handful of minutes), and it's a thought process that i think is kinda unlikely to come from scum

similarly partly why i think you're town now is that you're writing with conviction and clear follow-through on posts in very quick real time (like the wall you just responded to minutes after i posted mine)

skitter, assuming I'm town, how much scum do you think opportunistically hops onto me for the perceived easy/fast elim

a whole bunch

[skitter30]

it just makes no sense to me that you would be nked n1 over players who would be nked n1 for their strength AND are far more likely to be prs.

you're at once arguing that he's god-tier and also arguing that other people woudl be n1'd before him because they're stronger than him?

[Best Bird]

I currently think all the scum is in (hoopla, TGP, infinity, dunn, peta, lili)

I like this.

[skitter30]

Mena/skitter interactions super feel like T/T, there's an attitude of "I'm paranoid of you but hope you're town and want to work with you"

yeah tbh that's also why i think he's +town, last time we did this (me-town, him-scum), the argument just never ended, because he kept forcing it and dragging it along, even tho i tried to disengage a whole bunch of times

[skitter30]

does tgp have a lot of experience with scum!you mena?

[Best Bird]

i'm kinda here:

town: ss, uncrowned, penguin
weaker town: mena, infinity, jv
nulltown: dave
nullscum: hoopla, peta
weaker scum: dunn
scum: lilith, tgp

probably not limming today for mechanical reasons: lilith

note: peta is like at first glance kinda scummy but i kinda gut think he's town anyways. idk where to put him on the chart exactly, i settled on nullscum but it doesn't like holistically capture my thoughts.

*ahem*

Penguin is no longer in the game. Please use my full, and correct, username when referring to me. Thank you for your cooperation.

You and mena syncing up is refreshing/really concerning. One of those two.

[Infinity 324]

I think JV is much more likely than TGP to be scum pretending to be town stuck in a tunnel. For example, 1912 feels like a town "aha" moment. JV has tunneled peta from super early on giving very little focus to other slots, and when they did, it was often on NAI stuff. I don't think town tunnels based on an early d1 response to a joke, and 593 didn't feel like a "heh I'm gonna catch you with this" post.

VOTE: JV

[skitter30]

*best bird, my deepest and most abject apologies

[TheGoldenParadox]

it just makes no sense to me that you would be nked n1 over players who would be nked n1 for their strength AND are far more likely to be prs.

you're at once arguing that he's god-tier and also arguing that other people woudl be n1'd before him because they're stronger than him?

i said he's good enough at scum to give me strong townpings, not that he's god-tier
other people would be n1'ed before him because they're similarly strong players and far more likely to be prs
this is much simpler than you're making it out to be

[Menalque]

Mena/skitter interactions super feel like T/T, there's an attitude of "I'm paranoid of you but hope you're town and want to work with you"

yeah tbh that's also why i think he's +town, last time we did this (me-town, him-scum), the argument just never ended, because he kept forcing it and dragging it along, even tho i tried to disengage a whole bunch of times

I'm not sure that's an /entirely/ fair characterisation of what happened but something something time, something something place

does tgp have a lot of experience with scum!you mena?

none, as far as I'm aware, although he may have read datisi's mini-normal (where I was town) simultaneously to the mini-normal we played together (where we were both town)

[Something_Smart]

i like that he came around to scum!tgp before it was popular

How much does that count for if TGP isn't scum?

[Menalque]

last time we did this (me-town, him-scum)

wait shit, when was this

I thought this said when we were both town at first glance and was thinking you meant the newbie game

are you talking about JK9++

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