Death Curse

[Bell]

Am I still scum then or do I go back to being universally town/meh read?

[MURDERCAT]

I don't get why scum Fred wifoms with all the adorable stuff. Does adorable look any better now?

[MURDERCAT]

For LLD when she wakes up tomm. ^_^

I'm not afraid to admit that LLD is better than me. The deal was that LLD is town on D1, I made it clear at the time I still wanted her hit ASAP so that she doesn't just win the game as scum.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

i was paying attention, but i was scum so its quite different.

pedit: wow shoot pooky now pls

i already changed my curse into an unlimited buffet

[Bell]

Slightly yeah. They made a few set up posts about what they were gunna do once they got the scroll plus the general lack of town or scum reads by anyone isn’t totally terrible to point to scum them.

I also don’t see why the scum team would coach that one in particular into a better position than they originally were. Besides altering the dialogue some.

But if the plan was to alter the dialogue I don’t know why he didn’t just stick to the ruse with a really dumb diatribe about scum LLD that i’d Probably have bought.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I'm okay to die second phase here.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

hi love, you have 48 hours to solve the rest of the game thanks

[Bell]

I haven’t a clue why pooky thinks murder cat is scum but I don’t agree with it and have been buddied and pocketed beyond redemption.

[Bell]

Do I get a prize for being the first to hit scum (inb4 Fred is town).

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

I haven’t a clue why pooky thinks murder cat is scum but I don’t agree with it and have been buddied and pocketed beyond redemption.

i dont think ive ever said i think murdercat is scum

[Bell]

Oh, you’re just teasing them?
Proceed then.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

hi love, you have 48 hours to solve the rest of the game thanks

I don't think I've been passed a scroll yet so?

I also mostly don't care, lol.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

same

you should do the thing with the hat and paper slips and livestream it

would be dope

[Fidget]

HURT: Lady Lamdadelta

I don't want this blood on my hands if you are town Fred

Her blood is all over your paws if he is town. It's on his, too, of course, but I don't really see how choice could be attributed to anything but you.

I believe Fred is scum because he had no build up to that vote. I don't see why town!Fred abandons Adorable and Noraa.

Shooting LLD is not terrible IMO

Congratulations, you have managed to make yourself null read by me when I was townreading you earlier.

Oh yeah also it conflicts with this. I think your paws are safe.

Just to be sure I'm going to wait a moment, though. Wait, that's not how the scroll flips work. Nyeh.

[Fidget]

I don't get why scum Fred wifoms with all the adorable stuff. Does adorable look any better now?

I would shoot Adorable immediately given the opportunity now.

Shooting LLD is not terrible IMO

Here's the thing about shooting LLD first, it's kind of a safe shot because

1. She isn't leading town or finding scum right now
2. We are hitting max 1 scum today
3. I trust town LLD to hit scum
4. If we hit some other scum we probably lose mush or me instead who are at least still posting in the game

Remember isis claimed scum to try to shoot LLD

For LLD when she wakes up tomm. ^_^

I haven’t a clue why pooky thinks murder cat is scum but I don’t agree with it and have been buddied and pocketed beyond redemption.

i dont think ive ever said i think murdercat is scum

I understand apathy, but you're actually actively trying to reduce our chances of winning. Why are you doing that?

If scum is killing LLD despite inactivity, it must be someone who respects her game a lot (@pooky ;) )

I can see the argument for shooting her because she's highly townread. In my eyes she is never scum, so that's a decent reason. How many players can that be said for?

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

oh yea im sure LLD is going to see this and decide murdercatto decided to tell his scumbuddy to shoot LLD in the main chat where we can all see it

[Fidget]

I was under the impression that you were egging her on to shoot Murdercat, since if Fred is town, he'd be responsible for her death. Even though you don't think Murdercat is scum. My apologies.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Is fred actual official dead? like did he officially pass the scroll to me or

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

why do you think fred is town?

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

we r waiting for hectic but you were the last one that he hurt with no explanation and the timer expired already

[Fidget]

why do you think fred is town?

Me? I don't.

The reason I interpreted it that way was because you and Murder haven't been getting along very well despite not really scumreading each other.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

does this look like we don't get along:

[Fidget]

Fred being scum and Taylor's recent posting makes me feel she is town, after all.

Why are so few players talking about how scummy Bell is?

I'm open to hearing your points, but I would say the reason is probably that he isn't that scummy.

And if a player is scummy enough or the case against them good enough, scum's hand will be forced.

these two for sure werent the case. there wasnt much reason for scum to hard bus there. there was no *coordinated* effort to derail the wagon.

Really? I was under the impression it was.

I feel like when a scumread slot has a case like this coming from a consensus townread, there is just no recovering from that:

Spoiler:

--SNIP--

--Comes in hard on easy miselimination Noraa.
--Doesn't even cast shade when people confront him. No engagement except deflection. No explanation of the reasoning for the push given.
--Questions shelly a little bit. Barely at all. Deflates the moment shelly responds. No explanation for the questioning given.
--Votes Tayl0r for not responding to the weakest push I've ever seen -- at first I thought it was a naked vote with an unrelated quote attached by accident. Weak pressure maintained.
--Explicitly shrugs about Flea's ISO.
--Finally posts a reads list where I, Gloria, and Fidget are town, Tayl0r and Noraa are scum, and everyone else is a shrug.
--Seriously, consider the absolute emptiness, the vapidness of that readslist. Holy shit. No explanation given for /any/ of these, by the way. Gloria floated a town Fred idea at some point along the line, so maybe that has something to do with it? Garbo reads. Absolutely trash.
--Mention of a reaction test on Tayl0r, I GUESS? Like, let me remind you the vote is for townreading LLD.
--Noraa to null because, uh, Gloria and Fidget say so I guess. To slightly paraphrase on account of I just closed the ISO around when I realized this might be useful to have here: "You've convinced me this read was for bad reasons".
--Denies shelly's literal depiction of the events around the Noraa read. No explanation given.
--Finally townreads LLD for, um, "a different reason". No explanation given. This is a recurring theme, huh?
--Returns to badly putting weight on Noraa and Tayl0r because Flea reminded him that he said stuff and then sort of let it drop. (The questions asked are technically about different posts but the thrust of the argument is damn near identical.)

--SNIP--

1: Fake scumhunting. I agree scum doesn't need to hunt and can coast fine in this game -- which means that if town starts to coalesce, lurkers are at risk. It's a risk-reward thing -- scum tries to fake like town, if they succeed then they can coast on bullshit to the finish line. Lurking is lower effort, has less risk of them getting caught early on, but they get caught out by POE if town coalesces.
2: Faking town confidence in coming across as town.
3: There's two things here:
3a: First, people have been remarking on the total lack of engagement outside of Noraa around now, so a false-start push on a relatively strongly positioned player could provide some cover. It's noteworthy that this does in fact come after multiple people remark on the single-mindedness of Fred's play to that point, so this is ABSOLUTELY responding to potential pressure. It's obvious why scum would do this.
3b: Second, no explanation given -- scum has to fake reasoning. This is /very/ difficult for people who aren't natural storytellers and is in fact why I incorrectly scumread Tayl0r in our last game together. Scum is safer providing barebones or absolutely no reasoning.
4: See 1 for push and 3b for weakness.
5: See 3b.
6: These are the most absurdly pointless reads I've ever seen. The universal townread, the easiest miselimination, and the only prominent player with a serious contingent calling for blood. Oh, and two comparative nobodies (no offense meant, you two just aren't in the top quarter of active players). This is an under-pressure, asspull, "I have no idea what's going on" readslist. See 3b.
7: See 6.
8: ??? I don't see /any/ reasoning for this. Maybe 1 applies? This is mostly just, "how is this person in the same game as the rest of us, have they paid any attention".
9: See 3a -- this is also responding to pressure. It's also coming from alleged townreads, who also seem to townread Fred, so...
10: 3b AGAIN. Also, 2.
11: See 3b.
12: 1 and 3a.

Fidget said if you are red she would shoot me and that's not a case.

I think I have pretty decent reasoning to believe you are red if Frederick is. Your reads bent unnaturally to force Fred to be town and Noraa to be scum. Why do you disregard meta that goes against your points, but support meta (and crazy meta at that) that does?

[Fidget]

does this look like we don't get along:

Spoiler:

You make a valid point, I can't really argue with that.

[UNOwen]

*WIFOM WIFOM WIFOM*

All active obvtown would have shot shelly here right?

*WIFOM WIFOM WIFOM*