In post 5028, Adorable wrote:UNOwen's post on #4961 makes me lean more on Fidget being scum since she mentioned omgus. Fidget should have already known before when this game started that I omgus as town alot and Fidget complaining that I suspect players who vote me is a red flag. Hopkirk also made some good points on Fidget being scum. If I am wrong on Fidget and she turns out to be town, then that means Fidget played a very bad town game.
Hmmm . . . Fred scumflip looks really bad for Fidget.
When was this post made before or after Fred changed his scroll pick?
In post 5198, UNOwen wrote:Most obvtown after Fred scum flip are Bell and MUSH (and MUSH was universally obvtown anyway). Why has Fred not passed the scroll to either of these players?
My thinking is that they have less favorable scum reads
In post 5198, UNOwen wrote:Most obvtown after Fred scum flip are Bell and MUSH (and MUSH was universally obvtown anyway). Why has Fred not passed the scroll to either of these players?
In post 5198, UNOwen wrote:Most obvtown after Fred scum flip are Bell and MUSH (and MUSH was universally obvtown anyway). Why has Fred not passed the scroll to either of these players?
In post 5203, MURDERCAT wrote:Scum would never shoot adorable that was obviously a placeholder to make us think Fred was town while he waited for feedback from his scum friends
What is happening
The Titus theory is that this was an attempt to get Noraa killed. I'm saying, no this was an attempt to kill obvtown that isn't going to shoot back.
In post 5028, Adorable wrote:UNOwen's post on #4961 makes me lean more on Fidget being scum since she mentioned omgus. Fidget should have already known before when this game started that I omgus as town alot and Fidget complaining that I suspect players who vote me is a red flag. Hopkirk also made some good points on Fidget being scum. If I am wrong on Fidget and she turns out to be town, then that means Fidget played a very bad town game.
Hmmm . . . Fred scumflip looks really bad for Fidget.
When was this post made before or after Fred changed his scroll pick?
Yep, he switched his vote one day after Adorable made this post, so Noraa is also spewed town from scum!Fred flip. He probably thought Adorable would give it to Noraa not Fidget.
In post 5159, Bell wrote:How often does scum theater actually happen tho. And why scum threatre with adorable and not somebody more likely to be convincing in their act?
By definition, everything scum does has to be theater.
This is messy. Fred is scum for that terrible pass(I dont believe he SRed LLD even once prior to this) and LLD'll pass to me. Everyone says my flip brings so much info but it really doesnt cuz as far as I'm concerned, the majority of the people here already know if flipped, I am green. considering that, I have a hard time understanding why anyone could possibly think I am a high info flip.
I believe LLD will pass to me out of anger and bc she most likely still has her SR on me given I'm not sure she has been keeping up with the game. This gets rid of two obvtowns and truly was good scumplay on Fred's end. I 100% believe this was an attempt to kill me right after LLD. LLD is universally TRed and I believe it's no longer a stretch to consider myself the same. Scums played this day well given one of their members died first.
LLD, if you are thinking about passing to me but think there is a possibility you will rethink, engage me because killing two obvtowns isn't the end of day 2 that either of us want. I will talk to you for hours and try to change your mind if you give me that opportunity. Scum!Fred did this specifically to make sure you die and I die. Think about it. My reaction was shit at the beginning but currently I hold an obvtown status for my later play where I calmed down, stfu, and thought about the game. Also if Fred/me really was the solve, I think he'd be extremely stupid to pass to someone that has been screaming for my blood for an eternity. Talk to me please.
Dream as if you'll live forever, live as if you'll die today.
Come play Guess that Scummer OR ELSE
Gloria pretty much said my thoughts. I have been scum reading Noraa which makes me think scum more likely put a placeholder tag on me thinking I would pass the scroll to Noraa and then I said I was leaning on passing the scroll to Fidget. Scum must have panicked and ended up putting a placeholder tag on LL. I can also see this as a good frame attempt on me. Fidget's late vote on Fred looked like a bus and it makes alot of sense for scum to bus for town cred. Most often it's always the town players who get scum read after a scum flip for not being on a scum wagon.
In post 5213, Adorable wrote:Gloria pretty much said my thoughts. I have been scum reading Noraa which makes me think scum more likely put a placeholder tag on me thinking I would pass the scroll to Noraa and then I said I was leaning on passing the scroll to Fidget. Scum must have panicked and ended up putting a placeholder tag on LL. I can also see this as a good frame attempt on me. Fidget's late vote on Fred looked like a bus and it makes alot of sense for scum to bus for town cred. Most often it's always the town players who get scum read after a scum flip for not being on a scum wagon.
+1
The timing of that vote switch is definitely telling. Fred!scum likely means Fidget!scum based off of that. LLD has been pretty much a non-factor in this game since day start, I don’t seriously believe scum considers her a serious threat at this point.
Fred cursing LLD and giving no explanation for it is highly scum indicative, so yeah I think it’s more about who isn’t getting the scroll: Fidget and less about who is: Noraa but hopefully isn’t, since Noraa’s pretty obviously town at this point.
In post 5214, Bell wrote:Tbh, I don't really think Fred votes scum buddy noraa out the gate with those excuses.
Like, I'm pretty sure Noraa is town here.
Well obviously? Why would scum!Fred put his buddy Noraa at risk?
Fred scum!flip switch more points to him being afraid of Adorable passing the scroll to Fidget.
I can’t comment with confidence that there was fidget protection because there could be a load of factors/combinations.
There’s no way the whole scum team was okay with adorable being scrolled. From there it gets muddled.
Also changed my mind and think se’ll Probably be okay if we form a good town bloc from these findings.
I know I keep repeating myself.
But besides Me, murder and Mush.
Kinda feel we need 2 more town to have good odds of winning.
I think a deep dive of Noraa could clinch it. I’m perseverating on their first reads list when I shouldn’t weigh it as heavily as I am. I think I just need a reset into obv town Noraa.
Then need to figure out one more i’m Immediately tempted to dump Gloria and adorable in there, but I don’t want to poison the well accidentally.
In post 5217, Bell wrote:I was just going over my case on Fred and goddamn I look good.
Like, just pristine. I'm basically an IC now.
Also, gunna chill out on posting for a little. I'm back to shit posting and that ain't good.
@Gloria, ah, I see.
Give me some credit here, I made 2 wallposts in a row for it and kept the train rolling while you were incommunicado for awhile.
Scumteam nearly had me giving up on everything there, gold star for them. I still want to hit Shelly here in third, the constant jumping off wagon and etc... it felt like a "I'll bus this no-hoper if I have to but I think they can be saved". As I /have/ been saying, by the way.
Tbh you were obvious town even after Fred said he was town post scroll.
I also know that, honestly, better players would be shaking their heads at congratulating ourselves on finding obv scum.
I’ll never think of myself as good at this game tho.
I'm not good for sure. I suck, I just bring an alien POV to the table that gives different angles into the gamestate. That's my biggest and best contribution to a mafia game as town.
Basically murdercat’s off the table for playing perfectly into the hesitation game in relation to Fred. He was like scum are voting him so he must not be scum when that’s EXACTLY what town would think. I pretty much played the exact same way recently and it’s really convincing.
it’s one step too removed from being plausible. It’s a masterful scum game if he’s scum this game.
If anyone scrolls murder as town I will have words with them post game.
K.
Never mentioning murder is town again. *takes murder off table*
