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[petapan]

insisted forcefully enough that she would have taken multitasking that i believed it

meh, I think it's well within scum-skitter's wheelhouse to pick one thing and strongly argue why she would have picked the other, especially if she did the pick specifically for WIFOM.

way she argued it felt believable, meh, but it's not a read i'd hang my hat on anyway

[Uncrowned]

I ask because I feel like you've had some good insights on stuff throughout the game and your lack of them here seems... odd?

[Something_Smart]

S_S do you have thoughts on anything at the moment or have you been busy or something?

I have been busy or something.

[Uncrowned]

Is "or something" possibly cooking up dastardly scum plans to kill us all?!

[Hoopla]

Of course your position has nothing at all to do with your own draft number.

purely incidental, let me assure you.

yes, i'm a 4 today, but in another lifetime perhaps i'm a 7.

[Dunnstral]

get bad man

[lilith2013]

hi I think I finally caught up


I think tgp’s reasoning for being on the DGB and mena wagons is super awkward and like he has no personal feelings about either of them but is/was voting them purely because of logic, which is fine in itself, but I feel like he’s trying to pass it off as scumreading them. and then trying to not take responsibility for being on the wagons because “his vote didn’t matter” even though he was the L-1 vote on both.

VOTE: tgp (L-1)

(As an aside, I feel a bit like I’m in perma-catchup mode due to rl and it kind of sucks. I’m hoping I can be more free soon to actually interact with people in real time because that’s where I do best.)

[Infinity 324]

Do you still think mena is scum?

[lilith2013]

I don't know, I feel like he's reasonably towny in his interactions with skitter (reasonably because I haven't played with scum!mena but I imagine he's a pretty competent player who knows what he's supposed to sound like as town) and I think it's less unlikely that I didn't actually block the kill than I originally thought

[davesaz]

i'm town because my interactions and progressions don't make sense for scum
like. imo the biggest difference between town and scum is the fact that town is completely in the dark whereas scum knows the alignment of every player in the game
and my posting whatever you think of my reads and my reasoning make a lot more sense from someone who's uninformed than someone who knows the alignment of every player in the game

This is related somewhat to the thing I pointed out before.
TGP is aware of their posting and trying to push the narrative that it makes more sense as uninformed than informed.
It makes me think that the basically clueless looking style is an act.

[petapan]

oh, tgp is actively ignoring this game, that's interesting

[the worst]

vote count 2.15

TheGoldenParadox (6)

: Uncrowned, Best Bird, skitter30, Menalque, petapan, lilith2013

Menalque (2)

: JacksonVirgo, Dunnstral

Dunnstral (2)

: Hoopla, Infinity 324

Infinity 324 (1)

: TheGoldenParadox

Best Bird (1)

: davesaz

Not voting

: Something_Smart

Deadline: (expired on 2020-11-13 13:00:00)

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to eliminate.

mod notes

:
- I've been away for the weekend, I'll b back properly tmrw
- prodding best bird
- skitter30 v/la fridays & saturdays
- quack

[Best Bird]

tgp

[TheGoldenParadox]

TheGoldenParadox

, please try to explain what's bad about infinity's posts to you

unvote for now and i will

[TheGoldenParadox]

like at this point chances are i'll probably be hammered without intent so i'm not going to waste time formulating a real infinity case unless i'm no longer at l-1

[petapan]

i don't think anyone should hammer unannounced but

fine

UNVOTE:

[TheGoldenParadox]

thanks. give me half an hour or so, i should have a case done by then.

[TheGoldenParadox]

Pretty sure scum!lilith chooses 1-shot vig and uses it night 1.

1s vigi is paired with 1s pgo ... which dgb flipped

So barring an odd WIFOM play, the top couple slots in the draft are probably town.

this seems like intentionally bad reasoning, and it looks scum-indicative to me. Because dgb was below every unique number that was picked, it seems like a stretch to say that:
1. it would be an odd wifom play to not take the 1-shot vig as scum
2. this only applies to the top couple slots in the draft

while i understand the possible reasoning that the top couple of slots in the draft would be more confident in getting 1-shot vig as scum, it's not a particularly coveted town role and is not incredibly likely to be picked by town. thus, this reasoning seems like it falls apart pretty quickly when attempting to make both of those arguments together.

VOTE: hoopla

there is confirmed no scum 1-shot vig, so we should absolutely avoid shooting at the top of the draft.

We certainly should avoid shooting the top of the draft

Oh shit...the pt. Wrong thread.

Lol you think a post with a vote in it was meant for the scum pt?

also... a bit weird. like penguin is an (obviously) quite shitposty player, and this post seems like... something i wouldn't expect from town.

There's an amount of pride that goes with reads you have before replacing in, you clearly seemed like you had caught me, you were

so sure

and then I make an effort post and you're like ehh sort later without even reading it?

while this alone isn't terrible, it's made a lot worse by the fact that infinity does... essentially the same thing back to menal. even though this post itself isn't that scum indicative, it calls out menal in a way that i particularly agree with and doesn't seem to be made in good faith.

UNVOTE:

Mena is too earnest. Need to rethink

Still think the 1-shot vig thing makes lilith pretty likely to be town

I think a doc save might be what's going on

this is bad, not only because of the stretched mechanical reasoning about lillith but because of the reevaluation of mena. infinity had recently pointed out that in a recent game he had seen confirmed scum pretend like they were earnestly game solving, and i feel like this flip on menal without a massive change in menal's tone and posting style at that point (just the amount of it) was fairly scummy.

I think JV is much more likely than TGP to be scum pretending to be town stuck in a tunnel. For example, 1912 feels like a town "aha" moment. JV has tunneled peta from super early on giving very little focus to other slots, and when they did, it was often on NAI stuff. I don't think town tunnels based on an early d1 response to a joke, and 593 didn't feel like a "heh I'm gonna catch you with this" post.

VOTE: JV

this gut pinged me, so i'm going to try to explain it. infinity has pointed out themselves that they try to just focus on slots that specifically ping them (they said 3-4 was good, which it seems like JV has), and strikes me as a good enough player to know that tunnels aren't usually indicative of scumplay,

especially

when they're on what seems like thin reasoning.
none of this reasoning is bad, per se. but it pings me more as coming from someone who knows alignments than not.

If the entire plan was to make a bunch of opportunistic votes and use "I'm LHF" as a defense, why does 2104 sound so nervous? It doesn't add up for me

Not really. I like to focus on a few slots at a time because I can get overwhelmed if I try to focus on everyone at once (this is one of the realizations that made me feel better about hoopla fwiw). But 3-4 slots for directed attention is a good sweetspot imo.

this is a good post in isolation, but the fact that infinity has called others out for doing similar things (notably JV) is problematic.

The problem is that your case isn't very convincing to me because I don't see flip-flopping and weak reasoning as scumtells in the general case. I try to match emotion and tone to players' behavior to see whether more sense as town vs. scum, and here it feels like it matches up much better if TGP is town.

people who sit on the fence, go under the radar, or make attempts to be unpolarizing are the ones who are likely to be scum

TGP has been the total opposite of this.

Besides that I give up trying to explain my townread.

finally, Infinity's defense of me is bad. it feels very much that they KNOW i am town and are attempting to invent fairly thin reasoning to defend me for the towncred when they know i'll flip town. it's an argument that relies on the knowledge that i am town, but the actual arguments that are being made (that flip-flopping and weak reasoning aren't scumtells and i'm doing the opposite of sitting on the fence or going under the radar, implying me being town) don't seem like genuine, good-faith town arguments.

[Menalque]

Who is in your scum pool, TGP and who are your top 3 picks within it

[TheGoldenParadox]

uhh my scumpool is like {infinity, hoopla, penguin, dunn, dave} in that order

[skitter30]

flavor leaf won the don corleone scummy and is probably the best scumplayer on this site today.

Man my ego

pff i bet they give that award to just about anyone

[skitter30]

insisted forcefully enough that she would have taken multitasking that i believed it

meh, I think it's well within scum-skitter's wheelhouse to pick one thing and strongly argue why she would have picked the other, especially if she did the pick specifically for WIFOM.

tbf this is true
(except that i usually wouldn't make a pure wifom play like that)

[skitter30]

what i know about pine is i got him eliminated once long ago when i was scum and he was obvtown. also had a kinda trash scumgame but that was also forever ago so i assume no longer true

Pine now has a notoriously good scumgame and is actively more enthusiastic when rolling scum (although he can strategically lurk). It’s ++town for me that he let himself be replaced instead of hitting the minimum activity requirements, which is something he could definitely have done if he was scum and lurking intentionally instead of bc he just wasn’t engaged as town

also now that lilith's game is over, i feel the need to point out that this is no longer accurate meta %
he basically played *exactly* like he did in this game and ultimately got repped out for inactivity

[petapan]

flavor leaf won the don corleone scummy and is probably the best scumplayer on this site today.

Man my ego

pff i bet they give that award to just about anyone

[Best Bird]

what i know about pine is i got him eliminated once long ago when i was scum and he was obvtown. also had a kinda trash scumgame but that was also forever ago so i assume no longer true

Pine now has a notoriously good scumgame and is actively more enthusiastic when rolling scum (although he can strategically lurk). It’s ++town for me that he let himself be replaced instead of hitting the minimum activity requirements, which is something he could definitely have done if he was scum and lurking intentionally instead of bc he just wasn’t engaged as town

also now that lilith's game is over, i feel the need to point out that this is no longer accurate meta %
he basically played *exactly* like he did in this game and ultimately got repped out for inactivity

It didn’t start with that game, but yes, that’s one of the reasons I said I didn’t like Mena using that to push a tr on the slot yesterday.