Death Curse

[MURDERCAT]

I have a whole slot open

[MURDERCAT]

Also let's not forget that I was not confident about Fred and still voted with my TRs

[MURDERCAT]

Noraa red clears Pooky in my mind by also seems very unlikely

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

its p obv the reason i didnt get scrolled is because the scum do not want me to shoot taylor

[MUSHSHAGANA]

I think that 4 slots closed is asking for trouble this early. 3 slots closed is pretty fair, but wait till the curse resolves to make hard decisions on that, I say. Could be LLD pays attention, passes in the obvious kill zone, and one of the other two obvious targets come up green. I don't think that's likely with Shelly, but Fidget I'm unconvinced of.

[MURDERCAT]

its p obv the reason i didnt get scrolled is because the scum do not want me to shoot taylor

I don't think you are TR'd enough to be a target

[Gloria Cleary]

Spoiler:

i do not really see the case on fredrick myself

If Adorable is town this is where I'm interested in instead.. I already went over that I think the blank defense of Fred is suspicious because it came after a couple of posters were defending Fred:

also this fred wagon is ridiculous. the people on the fred wagon prove that fred is town 90%

I think there is a good shot fredrick is town and we are being snowed by strong scum players

Granted, there was a lot of heat on Fred at the same time, too. I am still suspicious that this was the only message Theta wanted to give at the time.

i am perfectly fine with adorable being handed the scroll

i am very confident

which to be perfectly honest
given my past history with reads
probably means i am wrong here

This is also worrying me a little bit given Theta has been tunneling Adorable probably the entire length of the game and yet is hedging her bets at the end.

I understand worrying your read is wrong (That's kinda what I'm doing right now), but it's not like Theta is engaging with Adorable or giving alternatives or anything. Feels a tad disingenuous to push hard for Adorable, have second thoughts, but still confidently say "Kill Adorable" anyway.

When someone says they’re confident on player X being scum, then says they’re probably wrong on that read, how are you reading that as “kill Adorable”? Isn’t she saying the opposite of that?

[MURDERCAT]

Pooky do you still have a hard TR on Shelly?

[Bell]

I'm tunneled on Shelly and Taylor I think.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

when did i even TR shelly

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

I don't think you are TR'd enough to be a target

good joke buddy

[MUSHSHAGANA]

If Adorable of all the slots was a target for even a moment, Pooky was on the table for sure.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

That said: I'm not too upset by that set of 4. If we have to take a gamble with a flip, I really would like to hit Pooky, because Pooky red I feel clears two slots outright (Noraa + Tayl0r). I think Tayl0r red clears Pooky and says nothing on Noraa, and Noraa red tells us fuck all. Pooky is a serious contender for best info flip, and has some degree of scum quotient as well. Clear two slots and treat our obvtowns as confs and we might be able to purely POE it to the finish line.

except pooky green tells you nothing and you get 0 info lol

[MURDERCAT]

when did i even TR shelly

Pretty sure you were pretty closely linked with Shelly post Noraa wagon on D1 but maybe you didn't reciprocate her feelings towards you in the same way

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

pretty sure you should read what I type instead of making up fanfiction

[MURDERCAT]

*Deletes 45 pages of Shelly/Pooky fan fiction*

[MUSHSHAGANA]

Pooky green implicates Tayl0r tremendously, honestly. That whole back and forth smelled like SvT. Says nothing about Noraa though. Also, you have a GIGANTIC ISO and a lot of Day 1 back and forth, there's bound to be good stuff to work with in terms of VCA with you confirmed as green.

[Bell]

Might as well just hit taylor then.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

how does pooky green implicate taylor

you think im infallible or something?

[Fidget]

i am very confident

which to be perfectly honest
given my past history with reads
probably means i am wrong here

When someone says they’re confident on player X being scum, then says they’re probably wrong on that read, how are you reading that as “kill Adorable”? Isn’t she saying the opposite of that?

She's been saying "Kill Adorable" all game..

Compounded by how Theta's been not terribly active recently.. it's essentially the only thing she's been saying outside of "I don't see the Fred case".

i am perfectly fine with adorable being handed the scroll

i just think adorable is nearly guaranteed to be scum at this point

why did that happen
why did vax and hopkirk die

VOTE: adorable

same reasons as before
though honestly i could also go for noraa

My point is that she's potentially nearing the finish line for getting Adorable killed, and now she's being hedgey about it. Yet it's the only read she's focused on, and she hasn't really done anything today to check elsewhere or evaluate Adorable further.

[Fidget]

You all think Taylor is still likely with Fred? I was under the impression they weren't teamed from their interactions, I guess Taylor's blatant reversal felt too.. obvious.

[MUSHSHAGANA]

No, it's about the dynamics of the shit-fight you two had late on Day 1. Tayl0r seemed to be goading you on purpose, you were giving no ground on your scumread, someone was scum in there and yeah, it's most likely Tayl0r, but I'm uncertain still. Even discounting that, the VCA bonus for analyzing the numerous Day 1 VCs does give a green flip some value.

Keep in mind I said "if we need to gamble" -- I'd prefer not to and I think we can avoid gambling if we hit Shelly next and follow the obvious road.

[MUSHSHAGANA]

Fidget, from what I know of Tayl0r, her playstyle lends itself very well to TSTBS defense. She'd absolutely have a chance to do this as town too, I think, but it does make me question her alignment and increases the chances of Tayl0r + Fred.

[Gloria Cleary]

That said: I'm not too upset by that set of 4. If we have to take a gamble with a flip, I really would like to hit Pooky, because Pooky red I feel clears two slots outright (Noraa + Tayl0r). I think Tayl0r red clears Pooky and says nothing on Noraa, and Noraa red tells us fuck all. Pooky is a serious contender for best info flip, and has some degree of scum quotient as well. Clear two slots and treat our obvtowns as confs and we might be able to purely POE it to the finish line.

except pooky green tells you nothing and you get 0 info lol

Fred scumflip already clears Noraa because he gave the scroll to LLD. There is pretty much no world where they are buddies.

[MUSHSHAGANA]

Irrelevant. Pooky red would remove all doubt there, and I promise you doubt will be cast. If I had anything to bet, I'd wager on it.