Smoke-Filled Antechamber [Endgame]

midwaybear · Post Post #5125 (ISO) » Sat Nov 07, 2020 4:26 pm

My point still stands.
My own plan allows for no doubt.

Alisae · Post Post #5126 (ISO) » Sat Nov 07, 2020 4:28 pm

I think there's something you're forgetting though

midwaybear · Post Post #5127 (ISO) » Sat Nov 07, 2020 4:29 pm

I feel like you are going to say...
the case that I am scum? Or is there something else

Alisae · Post Post #5128 (ISO) » Sat Nov 07, 2020 4:37 pm

If I no killed to make Pooky's save on me that I knew he would claim real, then
A. It would be a better play to just kill Tammy. Tammy dieing makes Pooky look really bad. If there was a successful protect on that slot, it makes me and Pooky look even better.
B. being that mechanically gifted to actually make that play knowing what was going to happen and for that thing I knew was going to happen to actually happen, then if I am scum I got extremely lucky to be in such a good position.

Alisae · Post Post #5129 (ISO) » Sat Nov 07, 2020 4:37 pm

I think if I'm scum I got extremely lucky throughout the whole game in general

PookyTheMagicalBear · Post Post #5130 (ISO) » Sat Nov 07, 2020 4:40 pm

he can't even make the case for you being scum. his entire case is basically he wants to X you to get to tomorrow and win. he knows if i die today the last LHF gets removed and he has nowhere to go in f3

midwaybear · Post Post #5131 (ISO) » Sat Nov 07, 2020 4:45 pm

That is from the perspective that I am scum. However, maybe you should also consider why I am pushing the things that I am pushing as town. It should also check out.

midwaybear · Post Post #5132 (ISO) » Sat Nov 07, 2020 4:45 pm

Along with setup questions, another reason I'm still thinking it's most likely Pooky is just for his terrible tunnel on me.

PookyTheMagicalBear · Post Post #5133 (ISO) » Sat Nov 07, 2020 4:46 pm

I don't even need to defend myself from this nonsense since I am proposing I die.

Alisae · Post Post #5134 (ISO) » Sat Nov 07, 2020 4:48 pm

In post 5131, midwaybear wrote:That is from the perspective that I am scum. However, maybe you should also consider why I am pushing the things that I am pushing as town. It should also check out.

its supposed to check out? How exactly because the kill Pooky to prove he's town means that there was more likely than not a doc save on me and that's more reliable then Tammy's results.

midwaybear · Post Post #5135 (ISO) » Sat Nov 07, 2020 4:49 pm

As I said, you purposefully dying today solely for the purpose of getting me hanged is a throw. I am not mech scum from your perspective, so there is no reason for doing so. "Taking responsibility" for the loss will not erase that fact that you threw.

Alisae · Post Post #5136 (ISO) » Sat Nov 07, 2020 4:50 pm

In post 5133, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:I don't even need to defend myself from this nonsense since I am proposing I die.

Personally, I feel like if you explained more about why I'm town, why Peta is town, and just explain everything to try to get Tammy to trust us. It's probably the best chance of getting Tammy on board as well I think?

PookyTheMagicalBear · Post Post #5137 (ISO) » Sat Nov 07, 2020 4:50 pm

from my POV Peta and Alisae are never scum. so how does insuring that I remove the only other person who could be scum fpov constitute a throw?

Alisae · Post Post #5138 (ISO) » Sat Nov 07, 2020 4:51 pm

In post 5135, midwaybear wrote:As I said, you purposefully dying today solely for the purpose of getting me hanged is a throw. I am not mech scum from your perspective, so there is no reason for doing so. "Taking responsibility" for the loss will not erase that fact that you threw.

It makes sense from his perspective because he's working down from his townreads and you're the only thing thats left

midwaybear · Post Post #5139 (ISO) » Sat Nov 07, 2020 4:51 pm

It's not mechanically confirmed.

midwaybear · Post Post #5140 (ISO) » Sat Nov 07, 2020 4:51 pm

In post 5137, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:from my POV Peta and Alisae are never scum.

peta could be a godfather and Alisae could have no killed

midwaybear · Post Post #5141 (ISO) » Sat Nov 07, 2020 4:52 pm

Pooky, if you are really a doc, godfather is very likely in this setup.

PookyTheMagicalBear · Post Post #5142 (ISO) » Sat Nov 07, 2020 4:52 pm

alisae didnt even know i was going to protect eir

PookyTheMagicalBear · Post Post #5143 (ISO) » Sat Nov 07, 2020 4:53 pm

In post 5141, midwaybear wrote:Pooky, if you are really a doc, godfather is very likely in this setup.

yea i know i've been saying you're the gf like all day... that's why I want to 1:1 you here instead of 1:1ing you in F3

midwaybear · Post Post #5144 (ISO) » Sat Nov 07, 2020 4:54 pm

so why is peta NEVER scum

Alisae · Post Post #5145 (ISO) » Sat Nov 07, 2020 4:55 pm

If people are really upset that Pooky is throwing, then the other players would have complained.
Tammy has said nothing about Pooky's plan and Peta is fine with it I think?

petapan · Post Post #5146 (ISO) » Sat Nov 07, 2020 4:55 pm

In post 5140, midwaybear wrote:
In post 5137, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:from my POV Peta and Alisae are never scum.
peta could be a godfather and Alisae could have no killed

literally why do i ever no kill here, on any day, why do i not kill pooky last night

anyway if you think it's pooky why not just put up and flip him now?

midwaybear · Post Post #5147 (ISO) » Sat Nov 07, 2020 4:56 pm

In post 5145, Alisae wrote:If people are really upset that Pooky is throwing, then the other players would have complained.

That's because you guys don't know that I am town
Pooky causing us to lose if he is town is definitely a throw

PookyTheMagicalBear · Post Post #5148 (ISO) » Sat Nov 07, 2020 4:57 pm

because it makes no sense for him to push a TownLynch on D2 when he needs credibility to survive the vig shot. Scum are pushed into a small POE at that point with 6 masons revealing and a POE-8 - if he knows he's GF and needs to throw out deadweight like Bell/DS why wouldn't he just bus one of them hard instead of pushing Bulge? It's not like they haven't given him plenty of reason to push him. Peta-GF 100% busses there.

midwaybear · Post Post #5149 (ISO) » Sat Nov 07, 2020 4:57 pm

In post 5146, petapan wrote:anyway if you think it's pooky why not just put up and flip him now?

My plan should be winning and things are certain for me. If pooky is town, that puts me in f3 with you and alisae where nothing is certain.