Micro 975: The Shape of Water [END]

[Creature]

Taylor looks pretty much scum here. Infinity is also underwhelming rn. Perhaps the two are scum indeed.

[Venus and Mars]

Taylor looks pretty much scum here. Infinity is also underwhelming rn. Perhaps the two are scum indeed.

Can you elaborate but yeah, at least one of them has to be.

~M

[Infinity 324]

I claim total idiot, because I’m a 1-shot weak friendly neighbor who crumbled that I would target taylor last night before realizing she’d crumb ascetic. So now I have to wait until we elim scum to use my shot I guess

[Alchemist21]

What post the crumb?

[Infinity 324]

Going to ISO taylor over the night phase cause I’m not sure about her atm

[Alchemist21]

Ok. Assuming the claim is true, where do we go from here?

Your role has the potential to clear 2 slots and scum can't let that live, and if you die we won't know if you actually targeted scum or not.

[Venus and Mars]

I claim total idiot, because I’m a 1-shot weak friendly neighbor who crumbled that I would target taylor last night before realizing she’d crumb ascetic. So now I have to wait until we elim scum to use my shot I guess

What’s the difference between weak friendly neighbour and regular friendly neighbour?

So, if you used it on Tayl0r did your shot get refunded?

~M

[Venus and Mars]

We’re VT neighbour in a hood with both Gamma (were) and Taylor.

~M

[Infinity 324]

Weak = I die if I target scum.

I didn’t use my shot, didn’t think about the possibility that I could get it back.

I think we just have to wait until we elim scum, scum kills me and if there aren’t 2 deaths we assume there’s no guilty and move on.

[Alchemist21]

Did anything happen in the hood? Is there a reason Taylor didn't mention it in their claim?

[Infinity 324]

Hmm if we no elim here scum kills alchemist, would that help us? I still can’t use my shot cause if I target scum we lose.

I think alchemist is town cause 6v2 is rough for town. Weak friendly neighbor + tracker + N2 bulletproof + bunyip seems reasonable? Don’t know which side the ascetic should be on for balance

[Alchemist21]

Ascetic is stronger for scum and weaker for Town there. As scum neither you nor me could get a guilty on it. As Town, it takes away your roles ability to clear 2 slots.

Aiming to fade scum today and forcing scum to choose between killing you or me would be a better option than shutting down your role utility completely. Of course if Taylor's scum they're the one we need to fade because then scum has no dilemma because Taylor just kills you and shuts us both down.

[Infinity 324]

Killing taylor might just be the play

Tbh a taylor/bulge scumteam makes sense since the ascetic member will always perform the kill. That was kinda my solve anyway.

[Venus and Mars]

Did anything happen in the hood? Is there a reason Taylor didn't mention it in their claim?

Shiro asked her that and she said we hadn’t discussed it yet but that she would back me up on that if I claimed.

~M

[Venus and Mars]

Killing taylor might just be the play

Tbh a taylor/bulge scumteam makes sense since the ascetic member will always perform the kill. That was kinda my solve anyway.

Yes, she is the only non-confirmable slot. We should hear what Bulge says but that’s a really good point. If Tayl0r is buddies with Bulge, then his clear is meaningless.

~M

[Alchemist21]

So "no reason" basically. Gamma flipped neighbor so we know it's there, I just wondered if there was a reason Taylor didn't claim to be a member.

Anyway, I think we're all in agreement on Taylor. I'm pretty much ready to vote there but I still want a solid plan for the Night Actions.

If Infinity targets Bulge and I target Creature, then if Bulge is scum Infinity dies and Creature is cleared then we know Bulge is scum. If Infinity dies but I get a guilty on Creature then Creature can't frame Bulge. This also covers the scenario of Infinity being scum because it forces him to produce a result if he's alive; if Bulge dies and I have a clear on Creature it points right to Infinity as scum.

The only 2 caveats are the existence of a scum ninja or Venus and Mars somehow being scum. For either of those to be true I'd have to be wrong on Taylor anyway.

VOTE: Taylor Swift

[Venus and Mars]

I think if either one of Tayl0r/Bulge flips red , there could be possible associatives, based on Gamma being suspicious of Derp and Tayl0r preferring Creature to Bulge.

I’ve been the most suspicious on Bulge since he replaced in.

~M

[Infinity 324]

Nothing is stopping a taylor/V&M team. Could be an S/S/T neighborhood, V&M could be lying about who was in the neighborhood. So if V&M and taylor are scum and we do your plan:

If scum kills you, me and bulge are clear and we decide between creature/V&M.
If scum kills me, creature is clear and y'all decide between bulge/V&M.

Not the end of the world imo. Personally I'm more confident in creature being town than V&M though.

[Venus and Mars]

So "no reason" basically. Gamma flipped neighbor so we know it's there, I just wondered if there was a reason Taylor didn't claim to be a member.

Anyway, I think we're all in agreement on Taylor. I'm pretty much ready to vote there but I still want a solid plan for the Night Actions.

If Infinity targets Bulge and I target Creature, then if Bulge is scum Infinity dies and Creature is cleared then we know Bulge is scum. If Infinity dies but I get a guilty on Creature then Creature can't frame Bulge. This also covers the scenario of Infinity being scum because it forces him to produce a result if he's alive; if Bulge dies and I have a clear on Creature it points right to Infinity as scum.

The only 2 caveats are the existence of a scum ninja or Venus and Mars somehow being scum. For either of those to be true I'd have to be wrong on Taylor anyway.

VOTE: Taylor Swift

Yeah that is a good plan. Read wise, I prefer Bulge but unlike Tayl0r, he’s solvable where as she isn’t because of the aesthetic thing.

I also think Creature is town and wouldn’t have killed Gamma.

VOTE: Tayl0r

Sorry if it’s not you but your aesthetic role makes you the best fade.

[Venus and Mars]

Nothing is stopping a taylor/V&M team. Could be an S/S/T neighborhood, V&M could be lying about who was in the neighborhood. So if V&M and taylor are scum and we do your plan:

If scum kills you, me and bulge are clear and we decide between creature/V&M.
If scum kills me, creature is clear and y'all decide between bulge/V&M.

Not the end of the world imo. Personally I'm more confident in creature being town than V&M though.

UNVOTE:

Wait, why are we scum here?

[Infinity 324]

Probably not, but I'm more confident in creature being town than you

[Venus and Mars]

Nothing is stopping a taylor/V&M team. Could be an S/S/T neighborhood, V&M could be lying about who was in the neighborhood. So if V&M and taylor are scum and we do your plan:

If scum kills you, me and bulge are clear and we decide between creature/V&M.
If scum kills me, creature is clear and y'all decide between bulge/V&M.

Not the end of the world imo. Personally I'm more confident in creature being town than V&M though.

UNVOTE:

Wait, why are we scum here?

Do you seriously think that even makes sense? 2 out of 3 scum in the same hood? Now you’ve got me kind’ve paranoid and wondering if you were distancing with Bulge?

~M

[Infinity 324]

Recently saw a normal game with S/S/T neighborhood

[Alchemist21]

Do you seriously think that even makes sense? 2 out of 3 scum in the same hood? Now you’ve got me kind’ve paranoid and wondering if you were distancing with Bulge?

And Infinity/Bulge team doesn't oppose my plan here because a Taylor fade is a win for them anyway.

And 2 scum in a 3p hood isn't impossible. I JUST got out of a game with one.

[Venus and Mars]

Probably not, but I'm more confident in creature being town than you

I don’t like that you’re suddenly shading me, it’s making me paranoid now that it might be you over Tayl0r.

We’ve been tr Creature since D1, so why are you trying to pit us against him?

~M