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[Flavor Leaf]

I just did a quick read because I wanted to see what was going on, and the thing that standed out most was Dkk getting targeted after saying going after Infinity.

That was scummy, especially considering Infinity said they thought DGB was claiming, I think it's completely fair to challenge that. I'm not saying that it means Infinity isn't a detective, I just think it's completely acceptable to assume, especially so quickly, that it is scummy, especially if someone looks at it wanting them to be scum.

So right now

Dkkoba
Taylor
DGB
Infinity

is probably where I'm going to spend some time looking at.

[Infinity 324]

@Infinity - I don't want to get too bogged down in mechanics discussion but is your logic basically that there's usually only 1 investigative TPR therefore if nobody else is claiming it then it must be you?

Something like that, yeah. Basically, the expectation should be we have 1 investigative PR, or maybe multiple gated ones. Not saying I'm confirmed town, but the cases where I'm scum should be unlikely enough fypov that they get resolved during massclaim.

[Flavor Leaf]

Why are you pushing aside the fact you could be scum fake claiming? It's not unlikely enough from our perspectives because you could just be scum claiming an easy result, that isn't that powerful of an investigative so even if there is an investigative role, it isn't necessarily a counterclaim. You also specifically stated that you thought DGB had a guilty on you, so why did you just say the expectation should be we have 1 investigative PR?

[Flavor Leaf]

@Infinity - I don't want to get too bogged down in mechanics discussion but is your logic basically that there's usually only 1 investigative TPR therefore if nobody else is claiming it then it must be you?

Something like that, yeah. Basically, the expectation should be we have 1 investigative PR, or maybe multiple gated ones. Not saying I'm confirmed town, but the cases where I'm scum should be unlikely enough fypov that they get resolved during massclaim.

Well I'm town so

Oh

I'll take your word for it, the mod probably made a mistake.

This is pretty clearly claiming something

Depends when she retracts it. I’m confused what’s going on but scum wouldn’t fake a result on me here.

Idk, I thought it was pretty clear DGB wasn't retracting, what else was I supposed to wait for

I mean, you weren't really in yeet range yet. If I was an investigative role, you can bet I'd be reluctant to claim.

I wasn't going to vote you until I heard more, even if I believed the claim.

I mean

It looked like a guilty

What’s supposed to change if I wait?

I thought she was gunsmith and a claim would resolve it

I don't understand these together.

the specifically stating the 1 investigative PR mixed in with some other stuff you said don't look real, and the detective claim is super easy to claim, and your crumb looks like you looking for something that could look like a crumb, quite possibly exactly why you claimed Detective if you are scum.

[Flavor Leaf]

and DGB does NOT look townie.

[Infinity 324]

Why are you pushing aside the fact you could be scum fake claiming? It's not unlikely enough from our perspectives because you could just be scum claiming an easy result, that isn't that powerful of an investigative so even if there is an investigative role, it isn't necessarily a counterclaim. You also specifically stated that you thought DGB had a guilty on you, so why did you just say the expectation should be we have 1 investigative PR?

I think gunsmith could be reasonable, any other investigative is unlikely unless they’re heavily gated (1-shot or something)

[Infinity 324]

and DGB does NOT look townie.

Don’t think she looks particularly towny overall, but the fakeclaim I think is more likely to come from town

[Infinity 324]

It feels like anything I say is being interpreted as unreasonable in this game. Multiple powerful investigatives in a mini normal or no powerful investigatives is really not the norm and I don’t know why people would think it is.

[Flavor Leaf]

who in this game has a decent amount of experience playing with gamma (3+ games)?

I have the most experience in this game with Gamma. I was in one of his first games even.

[Flavor Leaf]

I feel like something is happening and scum is trying to get DGB town because I was obviously going to push them today.

Dgb’s flip on Dkk is also bad, and if Infinity is town, she outed a town PR.

Like, how is this seeming like town to anyone here?

VOTE: DGB

[Flavor Leaf]

I’m back to neutral with Infinity. I could see his play here as town or scum pretty equally right now.

[Flavor Leaf]

It feels like anything I say is being interpreted as unreasonable in this game. Multiple powerful investigatives in a mini normal or no powerful investigatives is really not the norm and I don’t know why people would think it is.

You specifically stated 1 earlier

[Flavor Leaf]

Basically, the expectation should be we have 1 investigative PR

[Flavor Leaf]

I’m neutral on Infinity because I’m at the “too scummy to be scum” point with them.

[Infinity 324]

It feels like anything I say is being interpreted as unreasonable in this game. Multiple powerful investigatives in a mini normal or no powerful investigatives is really not the norm and I don’t know why people would think it is.

You specifically stated 1 earlier

Read my post again? I said multiple powerful investigatives or no powerful investigative isn't a reasonable thing to expect. 1 powerful investigative is. When someone claims a guilty on you and doesn't retract, you tend to consider things outside the norm. But the norm is 1 investigative.

[DkKoba]

too scummy to be scum is a stupid myth. are u their scum partner flavor?

[DrippingGoofball]

also dgb is hard town

Now that's a new one! Let's just hope there are no Inventors throwing around unstoppable Vig shots then.

DON'T ASK. Only DGB should be able to laugh at this comment.

Can't I just be NK'd like in the good old days???

[DrippingGoofball]

VOTE: DGB is where I'm at right now - in addition to the reasons I've already articulated, I think the above was a stretch as the non-claim was reasonably inline with typical geraint play ie was NAI, so this felt like a stretch at the time and justification in hindsight (this is massively wifomy ofc, but I would give her the credit that she would know how players with playstyles like geraint tend to behave)

Nobody claim-stalls on my watch. Nobody.

The "Meta Is Rubbish" lady ain't gonna go fishing to see what geranium did in his other games.

[DrippingGoofball]

too scummy to be scum is a stupid myth.

^5

[Tayl0r Swift]

It's wine, but I didn't think scum would send a low-activity slot to do the kill

Yeah I think this is Town, also does a Detective show as a positive to a gunsmith?

ya

[DrippingGoofball]

and DGB does NOT look townie.

Yes I do and I am.

[Tayl0r Swift]

im asking the people who are purely basing their case on me based on that

who is doing that?

[DrippingGoofball]

I’m neutral on Infinity because I’m at the “too scummy to be scum” point with them.

How come I'm not "too scummy to be scum"? Explain the difference.

[Tayl0r Swift]

A50, I claimed mason with YOU,

yesterday you claimed mason with NM

[DrippingGoofball]

Why are you pushing aside the fact you could be scum fake claiming? It's not unlikely enough from our perspectives because you could just be scum claiming an easy result, that isn't that powerful of an investigative so even if there is an investigative role, it isn't necessarily a counterclaim. You also specifically stated that you thought DGB had a guilty on you, so why did you just say the expectation should be we have 1 investigative PR?

He could have imagined that I tracked him... but surely not to the kill since he claims to have targeted you?