Death Curse

[Noraa]

Shelly's behavior on the Fred wagon was weird, I'm not sure what to make of it. I think Shelly would be more inclined to hard bus but maybe scum Shelly is aware of that and changes things up?

This is typically what I expect from scum shelly but 1) remember roses? 2) if she's scum here, she has(had) 4 buddies. No way she SRs all 4. She prolly does something like SR 2 and TR 2 or something like that

[Noraa]

roses?

I tunneled echo precisely bc I believed Shelly would bus. But she didn't bus that time and it threw me hella off.

[MURDERCAT]

Spoiler: Titus posts

Can you explain it to me?

See above, she lied openly about trying to derail the Fred!scum wagon onto Taylor.
-Her belief that I am scum is totally insincere (4302). She actually cases me at one point (4989 + 4991) and it was really weak and I can't imagine shelly is actually 80% convinced I am scum based on that.
-All active obvtown had decent chance at cursing shelly last phase, but instead scum decided to pass the scroll to LLD -> probably because they thought she would hit town.
-She pretended throughout the entire first phase to be completely convinced that Noraa was scum, but lost interest in pushing there once the rest of the thread had changed its mind
-Shelly goes from low WIM, sounding pretty unenthusiastic when Bell suggests passing the scroll to her to "fucking hell I hate you" when she "thinks" she has been handed the scroll. Does not sound like a consistent attitude.

I feel that she is pretty obvious at this point.

1) Almost no one thinks a case against them is strong.

2) Forces an assumption that all active town thought shelly was the only pass. This is a wrong assumption because Murder had a "hot take" and I had yet to make up my mind at all. Attempting to force your argument to be more popular than it is sucks.

3) So she's supposed to stay pushing a scumread no one else is listening to? There's 4 scum left, not one.

4) That attitude of why care I am dead to I fucking hate you because I want to play is consistent.

Ok.

VOTE: UNOwen

These posts are really interesting, it seems like there are sides forming around Shelly/Uno

One thing to note is that scum will probably hard defend partners today because they will really want to avoid S>T>S

If Shelly is scum we should come back here

[MURDERCAT]

Reducing Shelly's play to "will always bus" is too reductive, what I am interested in is how she (and everyone else who voted for Fred) went about the wagon

[MURDERCAT]

Also just a heads up we really want to go S>T>S today so I'm actually gunna play today

[Noraa]

I think we need to go S -> T -> S either today or tomorrow to basically guarantee a win.

[Noraa]

Best today to help boast our spirits but one today isn't the end of the world and we shouldn't be too discouraged if that happens cuz it'll fuck up tomorrow.

[Titus]

Spoiler: Titus posts

Can you explain it to me?

See above, she lied openly about trying to derail the Fred!scum wagon onto Taylor.
-Her belief that I am scum is totally insincere (4302). She actually cases me at one point (4989 + 4991) and it was really weak and I can't imagine shelly is actually 80% convinced I am scum based on that.
-All active obvtown had decent chance at cursing shelly last phase, but instead scum decided to pass the scroll to LLD -> probably because they thought she would hit town.
-She pretended throughout the entire first phase to be completely convinced that Noraa was scum, but lost interest in pushing there once the rest of the thread had changed its mind
-Shelly goes from low WIM, sounding pretty unenthusiastic when Bell suggests passing the scroll to her to "fucking hell I hate you" when she "thinks" she has been handed the scroll. Does not sound like a consistent attitude.

I feel that she is pretty obvious at this point.

1) Almost no one thinks a case against them is strong.

2) Forces an assumption that all active town thought shelly was the only pass. This is a wrong assumption because Murder had a "hot take" and I had yet to make up my mind at all. Attempting to force your argument to be more popular than it is sucks.

3) So she's supposed to stay pushing a scumread no one else is listening to? There's 4 scum left, not one.

4) That attitude of why care I am dead to I fucking hate you because I want to play is consistent.

Ok.

VOTE: UNOwen

These posts are really interesting, it seems like there are sides forming around Shelly/Uno

One thing to note is that scum will probably hard defend partners today because they will really want to avoid S>T>S

If Shelly is scum we should come back here

I understand your conclusion. I have a different, although more self serving conclusion.

T->S->T keeps the game at a neutral state.
T->T->T gets scum a near certain victory.

Therefore, if my numbers are correct, and there is a scum in Unowen/Shelly, scum want to avoid it entirely. Town should take a 50/50 and the evidence and move on. Yet town would always favor the one leading to S -> T.

That's why my vote is on Uno.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

I only just realised that Owen appeared out of nowhere after I stated a scum read on him. So that’s worrying.

what do you think of this post?

[Noraa]

I could prolly bet my life that {shelly, uno} has scum but gloria told me that was wifom so I'll just not comment on it.

[Noraa]

I only just realised that Owen appeared out of nowhere after I stated a scum read on him. So that’s worrying.

what do you think of this post?

nothing in particular?

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

zdenek iso is pretty short - you have no opinions about that post at all?

[Noraa]

no I dont think there's anything really wrong with tone or phrasing or anything there.

[UNOwen]

1) Almost no one thinks a case against them is strong.

2) Forces an assumption that all active town thought shelly was the only pass. This is a wrong assumption because Murder had a "hot take" and I had yet to make up my mind at all. Attempting to force your argument to be more popular than it is sucks.

3) So she's supposed to stay pushing a scumread no one else is listening to? There's 4 scum left, not one.

4) That attitude of why care I am dead to I fucking hate you because I want to play is consistent.

1)
Shelly's case:
1. I claim credit for Noraa wagon with my vote that was made before Noraa even posted. Clearly serious.
2. Adorable call out was explained later in the thread, but why read the posts of someone you are convinced is scum?
3. I try to get her to respond. She dodges. Then says I am scummy for not letting her dodge.
4. Post was pretty clear that we should execute Noraa for information.

And then because shelly must've realised her case was rubbish she adds in 5. I am not very proactive.

2)
You do not qualify as obvtown.
3)
No that wasn't the reason given (3494).
4)
No it isn't. Defeatist, oh well can't be bothered does not go to "WAIT WTF" like that.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

no I dont think there's anything really wrong with tone or phrasing or anything there.

do you think that's something zdenek says about his scum partner?

[Noraa]

no I dont think there's anything really wrong with tone or phrasing or anything there.

do you think that's something zdenek says about his scum partner?

I dont think that sentence really means anything.

[MURDERCAT]

Therefore, if my numbers are correct, and there is a scum in Unowen/Shelly, scum want to avoid it entirely. Town should take a 50/50 and the evidence and move on. Yet town would always favor the one leading to S -> T.

That's why my vote is on Uno.

We are currently at 10:4 correct?

So we can hit 1 scum a day from here and still win?

10:4
8:3
6:2
4:1
3:1 (dayvig)
1:0

If we need to hit 2 scum in a day to win then we should try to do it sooner rather than later as it gets harder to do it with fewer scum.

I do think that UNO/shelly felt like TvS but I felt like that about Bell/Shelly as well.

I think analysis of the wagons will tell the story

[MURDERCAT]

I'd like to retract my Pooky SR by the way

[Titus]

@Murder, Yes. I am not particularly opposed to a shelly wagon, but I think Uno's "case" makes him the more likely scum. Even if I am wrong, we aren't in a bad spot. Of course, this could be S v S which is why they both look bad.

[Titus]

I think analysis of the wagons will tell the story

I agree with this.

[MURDERCAT]

@Shelly and uno
How do you feel about a 1v1?

[Bell]

Hi.
Sorry why is Unowen's read scummy?
I must have missed it!

[Titus]

I do think that UNO/shelly felt like TvS but I felt like that about Bell/Shelly as well.

This makes sense why you pick Shelley over Uno then. I'm afraid I didn't read much of that. I am reading the pieces I csn when I am active.

[Bell]

Let's get Shelly. <3
Then Fidget or Taylor.

[MURDERCAT]

I think I need a somewhat full reread now that we have some info