Death Curse

[Tayl0r Swift]

Isn’t that hurt tag = final and I’m doomed to the graveyard as a d1 town triple pass

If we can do @taylor than 100% I think scum Taylor kinda clears bell?

Considering that Bell is pretty obvtown now, this post looks really good for Shelley.

Can anyone tell me why scum!Shelley would want to clear obvtown!Bell here?

I like you Mush but Pooky might possibly lead us to victory here. I think this post spews Shelley town.

it only spews shelly as town if im scum. shelly can safely make that post as scum because she knows im town.

[Tayl0r Swift]

hmmmmmm

ok mush is town
mush LLD taylor pooky are

locktown

Another towntell.

Scum generally don’t like to use that word.
Plus, of that list we have one deadtown and two blatantly obvious living ones. Again, why does scum!Shelley do this?

well first it contradicts your other towntell. in the other one im scum. and second, i think thats within shelly's scumrange. and now i think shelly has me as scum again. her progression on me doesnt make sense.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

And you can replace Tayl0r with Pooky in those. I don't give a fuck for either of those slots anymore since Pooky's hitting the brakes on obvscum shelly and Tayl0r's just like "hell, fuck it, lets go". Tayl0r might be hoping for bus cred, but she will get absolutely NOTHING from me here.

I stated the reasons I think shelly is town.

if you want shelly dead that's ok too. I hope you are right.

[Gloria Cleary]

@hoppy if you think getting pissed off is a town trait

why arent you TRing Bell for being pissed off at me.

[Noraa]

why does scum!Shelley do this?

I agree with uno on this one. Shelly does weird things as scum.
For example, in doggos she cc'ed a heavily SRed FN on day 1 for ??? reason.
In so many bats, she "cc'ed" when she could've just bussed and won the game with her heavily TRed self.
Im sure there's more but anyways, the point is that shelly does weird things. They dont always make sense. In fact, I'd say they normally dont.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

There's a motive for CCing

There's no motive for hopping off a wagon that you supported that looks inevitably like it is going to go thru. I think scum-shelly just stays on the Fred-wagon and gains a decent amount of town-cred for it. TownShelly didnt know fred was scum.

[Noraa]

Ok was there a reason to go cc a fn that was legit at like E-1 whose claim all of town had thought was fake?

[Noraa]

No is the answer. Shelly doesn't play by your normal standards.

[Tayl0r Swift]

There's a motive for CCing

There's no motive for hopping off a wagon that you supported that looks inevitably like it is going to go thru. I think scum-shelly just stays on the Fred-wagon and gains a decent amount of town-cred for it. TownShelly didnt know fred was scum.

i mean shelly hopped back on. it seems more like she was hoping the wagon would derail but then hopped back on when it became clear it wouldnt.

[MURDERCAT]

Pooky who do you want to shoot today? Taylor?

[Gloria Cleary]

Maybe I’m wrong on Fidget and Fred was telling the truth about her being town? Idk.

[Gloria Cleary]

Yeah I got so fucking pissed that she used an outside influence against me. I literally just said I was excited to play a game that Hectic modded and she twisted that to somehow prove that there's no possible way I didn't read the OPs. Uno you have played with me before and you really think I'm scum here?

I'm afraid I do.

owen what are your reads atm?

Noraa scum.
Adorable scum.

Zdenek scum?

As earlier, if you want me to look at a specific player then I will.

Could we be wrong on Adorable? Maybe Fred was playing us all with that?

[Gloria Cleary]

These are the players I have been town reading.

MURDERCAT
LL
Hopkirk
Theta
Shelly
Taylor

who is LL? talk to me about hopkirk theta and shelly?

LL is Lady Lambdadelta. Hopkirk's play looks way too solvy and I find this hard to imagine this play comes from scum. His joke posts is funny and the play reminds me of town Hectic who also plays like that. Theta's post on #101 were pretty much the same thoughts as mine but then when she made #1552, this gave me second thoughts because I did not notice this on page 1 and I was not paying attention at the time. I will have to iso Theta again later. We have had players scum reading me and Hopkirk and then shelly comes and screams that we are town disagreeing on what the other players are saying about us. I find this hard to believe scum shelly would want to white knight me and Hopkirk when scum shelly could have easily continued to let the players scum read me and Hopkirk since that would give scum shelly room for more mislynch options.

No, it’s very likely probably all wifom.

[Gloria Cleary]

You know, with 17 players left in this game, I really would appreciate it if everyone only post if they have something meaningful to say. Below is an example of completely inessential conversation that could have been done using the site chat. Please use the site chat for conversations like this. You won't get banned. It's not game related.

Fredrick: complains about no game advancing content
Fredrick again: Doesn't give game advancing content at all

lol
fred order these names from town->scum NOW
fidget
taylor
theta
bell
gloria

VOTE: fidget

Challenge Accepted.

fidget -> shelly -> UNO

What happened to your scumread on me?

Shelley doesn’t look like a buddy from this.

I don’t want to do Shelley.

[MUSHSHAGANA]

Gloria, if we aren't doing Shelly we're hitting you. How do you like that? Yes, I'm just copying LLD's play here, because /I LITERALLY WARNED EVERYONE ABOUT THIS EXACT THING BEFORE THE FLIP/ and if town doesn't get it now they're guaranteed to get us absolutely nothing but another LHF lurking garbage scroll pass to fucking town. That's a game throw. I swear, if I called the exact trajectory of the game yesterday, I reserve the right to crow about it and take it as a personal win even though it's a technical loss.

Go ahead: ignore me, you monsters. That's what happened to that ancient mythical hero Cassandra, and that's why Spain is a lost continent now. It's all your fault.

[MURDERCAT]

I am willing to go shelly based on your read MUSH (and obviously I've been suspicious of Shelly all game) but I do want to reread. There's no rush, if I still think Shelly is scum after rereading I'll make a case and we can get people to move there.

[Gloria Cleary]

Made it to page 15.

Bell, I feel like I should be town reading you, after pages 7,8. Could you say something that will make be not be concerned by you?

I think Swift is probably town, and I think that Noraa-Swift scum buddies would be shocking.

You don't get to use this excuse after you won that other scumgame against very competent players.

What was your opinion of that game - it was one of the few that I looked at since signing up for this one. My own impression was that Noraa’s win really was quite lucky. Also, LLD, can you clarify what was said on the discord server? Preferrably in a way that town!Noraa would be bound to agree with.

Hopkirk, what were those numbers anyway?

My top three scum reads are Noraa, Owen and Bell.

Actually Pooky, I think you may be wrong here. I think this may be the real rule of the 3.

I think Fred wanted us to suspect Adorable, Fidget, Tayl0r.

I actually think it could be UNOwen and scum distancing, which would clear both Tayl0r and especially Shelley.

[Gloria Cleary]

Gloria, if we aren't doing Shelly we're hitting you. How do you like that? Yes, I'm just copying LLD's play here, because /I LITERALLY WARNED EVERYONE ABOUT THIS EXACT THING BEFORE THE FLIP/ and if town doesn't get it now they're guaranteed to get us absolutely nothing but another LHF lurking garbage scroll pass to fucking town. That's a game throw. I swear, if I called the exact trajectory of the game yesterday, I reserve the right to crow about it and take it as a personal win even though it's a technical loss.

Go ahead: ignore me, you monsters. That's what happened to that ancient mythical hero Cassandra, and that's why Spain is a lost continent now. It's all your fault.

And how did that work out for LLD? She hit town, which I am.

[Gloria Cleary]

Scum would never shoot adorable that was obviously a placeholder to make us think Fred was town while he waited for feedback from his scum friends

What is happening

The Titus theory is that this was an attempt to get Noraa killed. I'm saying, no this was an attempt to kill obvtown that isn't going to shoot back.

It wasn’t who Fred wanted to kill, more on who he didn’t. He trusted LLD to hit town.

[MUSHSHAGANA]

He trusted LLD to hit town. Now please do look at my ISO during D2 and ask yourself who I hit.

If that's your theory, Shelly needs to go out today.

[Gloria Cleary]

UNVOTE:

I'm gunna say I'm with Taylor. D1 is one big personality who honestly looked me like shes more worried about how long she has, and is actively drilling people into dirt. The moment it seemed control was shifting from her I got a slightly panicked vibe.

Honestly feels like Lady is shutting down any discussion that isn't what she wants and I kinda feel Noraa has been shoved into a corner and locked there, kinda feel as well Noraa hasn't given us much choice beyond reading her as scum though with a lot of the reactions which could be what Lady was aiming for and

argh

- basically.

This ain't a scumread on Lady btw. This is a "what the actual fluff have I got myself into here?!". Who on earth drives into people that hard and then says "Controlling your emotions isn't my problem" when you're clearly trying to get on every last nerve?

I literally don't have the requisite attention span to read in depth the 10 pages that appear every 2 hours, especially after a pain day.

Like this Flea post.

[DrippingGoofball]

Gloria, if we aren't doing Shelly we're hitting you. How do you like that? Yes, I'm just copying LLD's play here, because /I LITERALLY WARNED EVERYONE ABOUT THIS EXACT THING BEFORE THE FLIP/ and if town doesn't get it now they're guaranteed to get us absolutely nothing but another LHF lurking garbage scroll pass to fucking town. That's a game throw. I swear, if I called the exact trajectory of the game yesterday, I reserve the right to crow about it and take it as a personal win even though it's a technical loss.

Go ahead: ignore me, you monsters. That's what happened to that ancient mythical hero Cassandra, and that's why Spain is a lost continent now. It's all your fault.

I agree with this.

I am liking Bell, Pooky and UNOwen for town.

[Gloria Cleary]

Only 1 scum in Shelly and Fidget.

Kill them both in the same scroll cycle cause there probably is scum in that.

Last scum... UNOWEN Noraa or Flea.

so honestly, I think....

theta
Taylor
fred
shelly
....
UNOWEN.

That's my final thought at a solve, but Noraa Flea and Fidget are all in the "realm of concern".

Everything else is paranoia and if I'm very wrong about someone, it will replace a whole subgroup, obviously

This post is interesting. Why did she waste her scroll on Theta? All it did was kill a townie and give us absolutely nothing.

[Gloria Cleary]

Only 1 scum in

Shelly

and Fidget.

Kill them both in the same scroll cycle cause there probably is scum in that.

Last scum... UNOWEN

Noraa

or Flea.

so honestly, I think....

theta
Taylor
fred
shelly
....
UNOWEN.

That's my final thought at a solve, but Noraa Flea and Fidget are all in the "realm of concern".

Everything else is paranoia and if I'm very wrong about someone, it will replace a whole subgroup, obviously

This post is interesting. Why did she waste her scroll on Theta? All it did was kill a townie and give us absolutely nothing.

[MURDERCAT]

"waste"

She obviously was trying to hit scum and theta was her top read