Death Curse

[Noraa]

Spoiler:

/effortpost

PookyTheMagicalBear - how is this slot ever scum? hyperfocusing on taylor a pretty bad strategy as scum because taylor venges hyposcum!pooky any day. also overall giving me a hugely solvey tone, was the catalyst of the noraa wagon
Tayl0r Swift - tswift/fidget prob not s/s but I'm inclined to sheep pooky a bit here, but taylors posting recently has been pretty lackluster. scum taylor hates bussing so maybe there's a scum!taylor WKing scumbuddy world out there
Gloria Cleary - v/la and gave me some gut townvibes earlier
shellyc - obvtown

Theta Alpine

- i think their posting seems really consensus-y and feels like their trying to stay under the radar, in my poe but would probably not be top priority
Bell - I'm pretty torn here, was SR there but has been weakened especially with the flips and the taylor/fred pushing. Would not scroll today probably, I'm confident in sorting there later on

Fredrick A Campbell

- really scummy play throughout, being reactive and pedantic, and not really engaging at all
Titus - i think their earlier posting upon rep-in was pretty proactive so townlean for that, waiting on VCA
MURDERCAT - closest thing to town leader we have aorn. town since gamestart
UNOwen - total scumbucket here with no engagement unlike their towngame which was relatively solvey as the game went on, UNO has really dropped off a cliff, top priority today if i wasn't duelling with fidget.
MUSHSHAGANA - will not vote here and is totally playing to their town!meta
Flea The Magician - null, gamestart posting was in a rather good tone but has been under-the-radar for a long time. will reread.
Adorable - haven't seen them post in ages. adora/noraa isn't s/s

Lady Lambdadelta

- closest thing to conftown when noraa flips red
Noraa - ehhhh? actually, im reconsidering here given some of the recent posting was high effort and i think town!noraa is higher effort than scum!noraa? will reread but will join noraa wagon anytime
Lapsa - lurker will policy anytime
Fidget - in 1v1 with this slot. probscum given the vax!green flip as well.

I think the LLD and Noraa reads look weird next to each other. Other than that I think the reads are generally pretty meh? Like there's a lot of nullish vibes that just seem off to me

Yeah, that is strange. Shouldn’t she be saying LLD!town IF Noraa flips red?

Is that not what she said?

[Noraa]

I do agree with the whole case on shelly tho. But murder, the hammer is MINE. DONT U DARE.

[Gloria Cleary]

fred has hit the brakes and its time for a new wagon to stop town apathy

and get scum. fred/taylor kinda makes sense as taylor dislikes bussing and has a TR on fred for a random reason

VOTE: Tayl0r Swift

Well it’s definitely different than “I’m not sure Fred is scum and prefer Tayl0r”?

Something Mush apparently can’t distinguish between.

[Gloria Cleary]

Spoiler:

/effortpost

PookyTheMagicalBear - how is this slot ever scum? hyperfocusing on taylor a pretty bad strategy as scum because taylor venges hyposcum!pooky any day. also overall giving me a hugely solvey tone, was the catalyst of the noraa wagon
Tayl0r Swift - tswift/fidget prob not s/s but I'm inclined to sheep pooky a bit here, but taylors posting recently has been pretty lackluster. scum taylor hates bussing so maybe there's a scum!taylor WKing scumbuddy world out there
Gloria Cleary - v/la and gave me some gut townvibes earlier
shellyc - obvtown

Theta Alpine

- i think their posting seems really consensus-y and feels like their trying to stay under the radar, in my poe but would probably not be top priority
Bell - I'm pretty torn here, was SR there but has been weakened especially with the flips and the taylor/fred pushing. Would not scroll today probably, I'm confident in sorting there later on

Fredrick A Campbell

- really scummy play throughout, being reactive and pedantic, and not really engaging at all
Titus - i think their earlier posting upon rep-in was pretty proactive so townlean for that, waiting on VCA
MURDERCAT - closest thing to town leader we have aorn. town since gamestart
UNOwen - total scumbucket here with no engagement unlike their towngame which was relatively solvey as the game went on, UNO has really dropped off a cliff, top priority today if i wasn't duelling with fidget.
MUSHSHAGANA - will not vote here and is totally playing to their town!meta
Flea The Magician - null, gamestart posting was in a rather good tone but has been under-the-radar for a long time. will reread.
Adorable - haven't seen them post in ages. adora/noraa isn't s/s

Lady Lambdadelta

- closest thing to conftown

when

noraa flips red[/b]
Noraa - ehhhh? actually, im reconsidering here given some of the recent posting was high effort and i think town!noraa is higher effort than scum!noraa? will reread but will join noraa wagon anytime[/b]
Lapsa - lurker will policy anytime
Fidget - in 1v1 with this slot. probscum given the vax!green flip as well.

I think the LLD and Noraa reads look weird next to each other. Other than that I think the reads are generally pretty meh? Like there's a lot of nullish vibes that just seem off to me

Yeah, that is strange. Shouldn’t she be saying LLD!town IF Noraa flips red?

Is that not what she said?

No, she said “when” and in the very next sentence, she says she’s unsure on you basically.

I think I’m not wrong on why Fred switched from LLD to Adorable though. He definitely didn’t want Fidget flipped and Mush’s point is he also didn’t want Shelley flipped and Shelley’s pushing her.

Where is everyone else and why aren’t they weighing in? Does anyone have a link to any Zedeneck scum games?

[Tayl0r Swift]

so shelly has been pushing me as scum with fred for a while. and pooky keeps coming in to defend shelly.

[Gloria Cleary]

Subject: Ikaruga Mafia (Game Over!)

He's getting better, but he's not on the same level as mastin yet.

This is a pretty bizarre standard to hold someone to.

i strongly dont trust slots who make readslists at page 4

I know you've played with Mastin before.

Jingle are you pushing me or protecting me

What are you thinking of?

I have seem manipulative aspects in their posts I personally not seeing much scum.

Details please.

i'm quite liking the idea of mastin and tmct being scum together

What do you see as connecting them?

Post 48 is a scum post, and deserves votes VOTE: TMCT

hmmmmm i don't get it?

Complaining about someone voting the person who you are voting. It's on like Donkey Kong.

Unvote
Vote: Xayzek

Okay found one. This may look good for UNOwen.

[Adorable]

If Fred and shelly are scum buddies, I feel as if Fred passing the scroll to me would have been better for scum shelly since mafia would have probably expected me to pass the scroll to Fidget and scum shelly would have more likely wanted Fidget dead. Something doesn't look right here. Since shelly is getting suspected so much the only players I could think of who could be her scum buddies are somewhere within these players Titus, Flea, DGB, Taylor, pooky.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

Yes, I'm aware. I'm accumulating evidence that Shelly is scum. ie if Shelly is scum, these are the things that provide evidence of that

if you look thru an ISO and ignore the things that point to shelly town and only cherrypick the things you can say are indicative of shelly!scum, that's not exactly a good faith effort to sort shelly. That's just a half-assed hitjob

[MURDERCAT]

I'm not totally convinced that shelly and fidget can't be scum partners but I'd have to look back at fidget's iso as well

[MURDERCAT]

Yes, I'm aware. I'm accumulating evidence that Shelly is scum. ie if Shelly is scum, these are the things that provide evidence of that

if you look thru an ISO and ignore the things that point to shelly town and only cherrypick the things you can say are indicative of shelly!scum, that's not exactly a good faith effort to sort shelly. That's just a half-assed hitjob

Not if I go back and look for evidence she is town later, which I plan to do

[Gloria Cleary]

If Fred and shelly are scum buddies, I feel as if Fred passing the scroll to me would have been better for scum shelly since mafia would have probably expected me to pass the scroll to Fidget and scum shelly would have more likely wanted Fidget dead. Something doesn't look right here. Since shelly is getting suspected so much the only players I could think of who could be her scum buddies are somewhere within these players Titus, Flea, DGB, Taylor, pooky.

Well that’s my theory. Fred didn’t want to pass the scroll to Fidget and that’s why he switched it to LLD, so he could either get a Noraa or Theta flip.

If Shelley is scum then Noraa was right about the list. If she is, then Fred may have wifomed again by putting both of us at the end of it, possibly thinking LLD might shoot one of us?

Because if the rule of the three is a thing here, then scum usually don’t put scum in first slot in a traditional game. So possibly Fred might have also been hoping she would have scrolled you or me.

So if either/both Shelley/Flea are scum here, then Fred was possibly hoping either you or me might possibly get scrolled based off of our positioning in that list while giving whichever/both of them towncred.

Or shade us as possible Fred buddies. Probably the latter, since it was pretty obvious LLD was either scrolling Noraa or Theta.

[MURDERCAT]

@Pooky if Shelly is town can you point out a couple of things that scum shelly wouldn't do in her iso? Even if those posts are coming from viewing Shelly as scum, that doesn't discount them outright. Do you disagree that Fred and shelly have some questionable interactions?

[Gloria Cleary]

fred has hit the brakes and its time for a new wagon to stop town apathy and get scum. fred/taylor kinda makes sense as taylor dislikes bussing and has a TR on fred for a random reason

VOTE: Tayl0r Swift

I'm not totally convinced that shelly and fidget can't be scum partners but I'd have to look back at fidget's iso as well

Does scum generally strongly tr a slot then walk back on it? They generally nullread their buddies. Well Shelley kept threatening to do a 1v1 with Fidget but pushed Tayl0r instead.

Shelley and Tayl0r don’t seem to be linked but Shelley and Fidget possibly could be.

So I think Shelley!scum=Tayl0r town from this. I don’t think scum busses on D2 unless buddy flip is inevitable, then they likely make sure they’re on it for towncred.

[MURDERCAT]

So I think Shelley!scum=Tayl0r town from this.

If shelly scum, I agree with this

[Titus]

so shelly has been pushing me as scum with fred for a while. and pooky keeps coming in to defend shelly.

If Pooky is scum, this would be good cop bad cop. Rarely are scum so together like that though.

[Titus]

Spoiler: VCs

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Votecount 1.2

[4] PookyTheMagicalBear:

Isis, Fidget, Zdenek, Toogeloo

[4] Noraa:

UNOwen, Lady Lambdadelta, Hopkirk, MURDERCAT

[2] Tayl0r Swift:

shellyc, Tayl0r Swift

[2] shellyc:

VaultDweller, Bell

[2] Bell:

Lapsa, Flea The Magician

[1] Adorable:

Noraa

[5] Not Voting:

PookyTheMagicalBear, Gloria Cleary, MUSHSHAGANA, Adorable, Theta Alpine

With 20 alive, it takes 11 to curse someone with the scroll. If there is no majority by the deadline, the mafia will choose who to curse.

The cursing deadline is in (expired on 2020-10-28 03:35:35).

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Votecount 1.4

[9] Noraa:

UNOwen, Lady Lambdadelta, Hopkirk, MURDERCAT, PookyTheMagicalBear, Adorable, Flea The Magician, Toogeloo, shellyc

[1] Tayl0r Swift:

Tayl0r Swift

[2] shellyc:

VaultDweller, Bell

[1] PookyTheMagicalBear:

Isis

[1] Bell:

Lapsa

[1] Adorable:

Noraa

[5] Not Voting:

Gloria Cleary, MUSHSHAGANA, Theta Alpine, Fidget, Zdenek

With 20 alive, it takes 11 to curse someone with the scroll. If there is no majority by the deadline, the mafia will choose who to curse.

The cursing deadline is in (expired on 2020-10-28 03:35:35).

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Votecount 1.5

[5] Noraa:

UNOwen, Hopkirk, Adorable, Toogeloo, MURDERCAT

[3] Hopkirk:

Lady Lambdadelta, PookyTheMagicalBear, Isis

[2] shellyc:

VaultDweller, Bell

[2] Bell:

Lapsa, shellyc

[2] Tayl0r Swift:

Tayl0r Swift, Theta Alpine

[1] Adorable:

Noraa

[5] Not Voting:

Gloria Cleary, MUSHSHAGANA, Fidget, Zdenek, Flea The Magician

With 20 alive, it takes 11 to curse someone with the scroll. If there is no majority by the deadline, the mafia will choose who to curse.

The cursing deadline is in (expired on 2020-10-28 03:35:35).

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Votecount 1.7

[5] Noraa:

UNOwen, Hopkirk, Adorable, Toogeloo, MURDERCAT

[3] Adorable:

Noraa, Theta Alpine, Vaxkiller

[2] Hopkirk:

Lady Lambdadelta, PookyTheMagicalBear

[2] shellyc:

VaultDweller, Bell

[2] Bell:

Lapsa, shellyc

[1] PookyTheMagicalBear

Tayl0r Swift

[5] Not Voting:

Gloria Cleary, MUSHSHAGANA, Fidget, Zdenek, Flea The Magician

With 20 alive, it takes 11 to curse someone with the scroll. If there is no majority by the deadline, the mafia will choose who to curse.

The cursing deadline is in (expired on 2020-10-28 03:35:35).

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Votecount 1.8

[7] Noraa:

UNOwen, Hopkirk, Adorable, Toogeloo, MURDERCAT, Lapsa, Titus

[3] Adorable:

Noraa, Theta Alpine, Vaxkiller

[1] Hopkirk:

Lady Lambdadelta

[1] shellyc:

Bell

[1] Bell:

shellyc

[1] PookyTheMagicalBear

Tayl0r Swift

[1] Tayl0r Swift

PookyTheMagicalBear

[5] Not Voting:

Gloria Cleary, MUSHSHAGANA, Fidget, Zdenek, Flea The Magician

With 20 alive, it takes 11 to curse someone with the scroll. If there is no majority by the deadline, the mafia will choose who to curse.

The cursing deadline is in (expired on 2020-10-28 03:35:35).

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Votecount 1.10

[6] Noraa:

UNOwen, Hopkirk, Adorable, Toogeloo, MURDERCAT, Lapsa

[4] Adorable:

Noraa, Theta Alpine, Vaxkiller, Fidget

[2] PookyTheMagicalBear

Tayl0r Swift, Titus

[1] Hopkirk:

Lady Lambdadelta

[1] shellyc:

Bell

[1] Bell:

shellyc

[1] Tayl0r Swift

PookyTheMagicalBear

[4] Not Voting:

Gloria Cleary, MUSHSHAGANA, Zdenek, Flea The Magician

With 20 alive, it takes 11 to curse someone with the scroll. If there is no majority by the deadline, the mafia will choose who to curse.

The cursing deadline is in (expired on 2020-10-28 03:35:35).

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Votecount 1.17

[6] Toogeloo:

Hopkirk, shellyc, MURDERCAT, Titus, Toogeloo, Theta Alpine

[2] Bell:

Tayl0r Swift, Vaxkiller

[2] Noraa:

UNOwen, Adorable

[2] Tayl0r Swift:

PookyTheMagicalBear, Bell

[2] shellyc:

Fidget, Flea The Magician

[1] PookyTheMagicalBear

Gloria Cleary

[1] Adorable:

Lapsa

[1] Hopkirk:

Lady Lambdadelta

[3] Not Voting:

MUSHSHAGANA, Zdenek, Noraa

With 20 alive, it takes 11 to curse someone with the scroll. If there is no majority by the deadline, the mafia will choose who to curse.

The cursing deadline is in (expired on 2020-10-28 03:35:35).

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Votecount 1.18

[9] Toogeloo:

Hopkirk, shellyc, MURDERCAT, Titus, Toogeloo, Theta Alpine, MUSHSHAGANA, Lady Lambdadelta, Noraa

[2] Bell:

Tayl0r Swift, Vaxkiller

[2] Tayl0r Swift:

PookyTheMagicalBear, Bell

[2] shellyc:

Fidget, Flea The Magician

[1] Noraa:

Adorable

[1] PookyTheMagicalBear

Gloria Cleary

[1] Adorable:

Lapsa

[1] Lapsa:

UNOwen

[1] Not Voting:

Zdenek

With 20 alive, it takes 11 to curse someone with the scroll. If there is no majority by the deadline, the mafia will choose who to curse.

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Votecount 1.20

(FINAL)

[11] Toogeloo:

Hopkirk, MURDERCAT, Titus, Toogeloo, Theta Alpine, MUSHSHAGANA, Lady Lambdadelta, Noraa, UNOwen, shellyc, Bell

HAMMER

[2] Tayl0r Swift:

PookyTheMagicalBear, Bell

[2] Bell:

Tayl0r Swift, Vaxkiller

[2] shellyc:

Fidget, Flea The Magician

[1] Noraa:

Adorable

[1] PookyTheMagicalBear

Gloria Cleary

[1] Adorable:

Lapsa

[1] Not Voting:

Zdenek

With 20 alive, it takes 11 to curse someone with the scroll. If there is no majority by the deadline, the mafia will choose who to curse.

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Votecount 2.1

[5] Fredrick A Campbell:

Bell, MUSHSHAGANA, PookyTheMagicalBear, shellyc, Flea The Magician

[2] Noraa:

Titus, Fredrick A Campbell

[1] UNOwen:

Tayl0r Swift

[1] Adorable:

Theta Alpine

[1] Flea The Magician:

Noraa

[7] Not Voting:

Gloria Cleary, MURDERCAT, UNOwen, Adorable, Lady Lambdadelta, Lapsa, Fidget

With 17 alive, it takes 9 to curse someone with the scroll. If there is no majority by the deadline, the mafia will choose who to curse.

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Votecount 2.3

[6] Fredrick A Campbell:

Bell, MUSHSHAGANA, Flea The Magician, PookyTheMagicalBear, shellyc, UNOwen

[2] Noraa:

Titus, Adorable

[1] Fidget:

Tayl0r Swift

[1] Adorable:

Theta Alpine

[1] shellyc:

Fidget

[1] Tayl0r Swift:

Fredrick A Campbell

[1] PookyTheMagicalBear:

Noraa

[4] Not Voting:

MURDERCAT, Lady Lambdadelta, Lapsa, Gloria Cleary

With 17 alive, it takes 9 to curse someone with the scroll. If there is no majority by the deadline, the mafia will choose who to curse.

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Votecount 2.4

[5] Fredrick A Campbell:

Bell, MUSHSHAGANA, Flea The Magician, PookyTheMagicalBear, UNOwen

[2] Noraa:

Titus, Adorable

[2] Tayl0r Swift:

Fredrick A Campbell, shellyc

[1] Fidget:

Tayl0r Swift

[1] Adorable:

Theta Alpine

[1] shellyc:

Fidget

[1] PookyTheMagicalBear:

Noraa

[4] Not Voting:

MURDERCAT, Lady Lambdadelta, Lapsa, Gloria Cleary

With 17 alive, it takes 9 to curse someone with the scroll. If there is no majority by the deadline, the mafia will choose who to curse.

The cursing deadline is in (expired on 2020-11-06 21:29:24).

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Votecount 2.5

(FINAL)

[9] Fredrick A Campbell:

Bell, MUSHSHAGANA, Flea The Magician, PookyTheMagicalBear, UNOwen, MURDERCAT, Titus, shellyc, Fidget

[1] Noraa:

Adorable

[1] Tayl0r Swift:

Fredrick A Campbell

[1] Fidget:

Tayl0r Swift

[1] Adorable:

Theta Alpine

[1] PookyTheMagicalBear:

Noraa

[3] Not Voting:

Lady Lambdadelta, DrippingGoofball, Gloria Cleary

With 17 alive, it takes 9 to curse someone with the scroll. If there is no majority by the deadline, the mafia will choose who to curse.

The cursing deadline is in (expired on 2020-11-06 21:29:24).

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[DrippingGoofball]

so shelly has been pushing me as scum with fred for a while. and pooky keeps coming in to defend shelly.

If Pooky is scum, this would be good cop bad cop. Rarely are scum so together like that though.

Why would they both obsess on this one player for their theater?

[MURDERCAT]

Taylor is a very easy place to park a vote as she generally comes across as kinda scummy

[Titus]

so shelly has been pushing me as scum with fred for a while. and pooky keeps coming in to defend shelly.

If Pooky is scum, this would be good cop bad cop. Rarely are scum so together like that though.

That's my point.

Why would they both obsess on this one player for their theater?

[Titus]

Taylor is a very easy place to park a vote as she generally comes across as kinda scummy

Sometimes LHF are scum.

[MURDERCAT]

You're bugging me out this game Titus, you have a scum flip why does it feel like you aren't really searching

[MURDERCAT]

Votecount 1.20

(FINAL)

[11]

Toogeloo

:

Hopkirk

,

MURDERCAT

, Titus,

Toogeloo

,

Theta Alpine

,

MUSHSHAGANA

,

Lady Lambdadelta

,

Noraa

, UNOwen, shellyc,

Bell

HAMMER

[2] Tayl0r Swift:

PookyTheMagicalBear,

Bell

[2]

Bell

:

Tayl0r Swift,

Vaxkiller

[2] shellyc:

Fidget, Flea The Magician

[1]

Noraa

:

Adorable

[1] PookyTheMagicalBear

Gloria Cleary

[1] Adorable:

Lapsa

[1] Not Voting:

Zdenek

I find it hard to believe that any of those greens are wrong and I also doubt that wagon was all town.

[Titus]

Pooky versus Noraa is telling. Flipped scum is on Pooky but not Noraa. Yet Zdenek aka Fred peels off at the Noraa wagon taking off. This, and the lack of much of a scum driven counterwagon suggests Noraa town.

There was a counterwagon onto Hopkirk. The only possible scum is Pooky. Given Z (now Fred)'s reaction to the wagons, my initial instinct is that at max one scum per counterwagons if any.

This explains why town couldn't get together on a wagon. Scum didn't have to care day 1.

Day 2 without a counterwagon suggests a hard bus.

Initial conclusion: Find scum in those who didn't care what happened yesterday but were overly invested into Fred.

[Titus]

You're bugging me out this game Titus, you have a scum flip why does it feel like you aren't really searching

You literally just ninjaed my preliminary VCA thoughts. RL has been a bitch, so I haven't been able to keep up as much as I'd like but I am trying. I just feel on the outside looking in because I can't keep up.

I thought it would be better after my move and the other game ended but it's not true.

[MURDERCAT]

Fair enough, do you think Shelly meets your criteria?