Micro 975: The Shape of Water [END]

Alchemist21 · Post Post #800 (ISO) » Sun Nov 08, 2020 2:50 pm

Read the very next sentence in that post.

Creature · Post Post #801 (ISO) » Sun Nov 08, 2020 3:59 pm

Are we all ready to lose if Taylor is town here?

Creature · Post Post #802 (ISO) » Sun Nov 08, 2020 3:59 pm

I'm still confident they're wolf. Mostly looking for the nightplans.

Creature · Post Post #803 (ISO) » Sun Nov 08, 2020 4:01 pm

Also I agree on Infinity hiding on Bulge and Alch tracking me.

Creature · Post Post #804 (ISO) » Sun Nov 08, 2020 4:02 pm

If V&M are scum I should probably be able to take a 1v1 against them.

Tayl0r Swift · Post Post #805 (ISO) » Sun Nov 08, 2020 4:51 pm

In post 724, Venus and Mars wrote:Well, Alch is obviously clear and we do know that Bulge didn’t kill Gamma.

really? did i miss something?

Infinity 324 · Post Post #806 (ISO) » Sun Nov 08, 2020 4:54 pm

I really don't think alchemist can be scum, with only 2 strong PRs 6v2 is rough for town

Tayl0r Swift · Post Post #807 (ISO) » Sun Nov 08, 2020 5:00 pm

yeah disregard that, i figured it out.

Tayl0r Swift · Post Post #808 (ISO) » Sun Nov 08, 2020 5:05 pm

In post 773, Infinity 324 wrote:
In post 771, The Bulge wrote:did I miss something? why are so many people removing creature from their PoEs with the same confidence as if he were mechanically cleared
I don't think creature has the capacity to fake what he's done this game as scum. The way V&M defended creature on d1 also didn't feel like a scumbuddy defense, so I'm trusting their read somewhat.

which of the four posts couldnt be faked?

Tayl0r Swift · Post Post #809 (ISO) » Sun Nov 08, 2020 5:21 pm

like i get that mechanically its a good play to go for me, but it doesnt make sense. as scum, why do i claim ascetic? it seems like strange double-think to both believe that im being honest about being ascetic but also that im scum.

Infinity 324 · Post Post #810 (ISO) » Sun Nov 08, 2020 5:23 pm

It could look suspicious when people are blocked when trying to target you

Tayl0r Swift · Post Post #811 (ISO) » Sun Nov 08, 2020 5:24 pm

In post 810, Infinity 324 wrote:It could look suspicious when people are blocked when trying to target you

except they wouldnt know why their actions failed

Venus and Mars · Post Post #812 (ISO) » Mon Nov 09, 2020 3:48 pm

In post 804, Creature wrote:If V&M are scum I should probably be able to take a 1v1 against them.

Only way that happens for me is if you, us and Alch are the last players alive in the game because fmpov it would mean I’d have to be wrong about you being town here but that is extremely unlikely to happen. In fact, I bet the game that it doesn’t.

~Mars

Venus and Mars · Post Post #813 (ISO) » Mon Nov 09, 2020 3:54 pm

I think Infinity is town. Sorry Tayl0r and Bulge but you two are the least townie and I actually think we’ve got this game solved.

As long as neither of you endgame, I don’t see how we lose.

~M

Venus and Mars · Post Post #814 (ISO) » Mon Nov 09, 2020 4:00 pm

In post 773, Infinity 324 wrote:
In post 771, The Bulge wrote:did I miss something? why are so many people removing creature from their PoEs with the same confidence as if he were mechanically cleared
I don't think creature has the capacity to fake what he's done this game as scum. The way V&M defended creature on d1 also didn't feel like a scumbuddy defense, so I'm trusting their read somewhat.

In post 806, Infinity 324 wrote:I really don't think alchemist can be scum, with only 2 strong PRs 6v2 is rough for town

Is this really the easiest game ever?

~M

Venus and Mars · Post Post #815 (ISO) » Mon Nov 09, 2020 4:09 pm

I just realized my reads are better than Krazy’s because he had it backwards. \o/

Infinity 324 · Post Post #816 (ISO) » Mon Nov 09, 2020 6:28 pm

I feel like bulge should be pushing the taylor TR harder. Scumbuddy indicative since he realizes taylor is probably going down anyway.

Infinity 324 · Post Post #817 (ISO) » Mon Nov 09, 2020 6:43 pm

Other than that not a ton of associative tells. I feel like taylor would be fighting her elim harder as town, and in general taylor and the bulge are the only ones trying to question people's logic rather than coming up with their own solves. I'm inclined to townread V&M's insistence on themselves and creature being town, as well as their tone. I also want to trust my earlier scumread on taylor, and gamma's scumread on bulge. Plus bulge did make a few posts that pinged me.

VOTE: taylor

Infinity 324 · Post Post #818 (ISO) » Mon Nov 09, 2020 6:46 pm

If taylor flips scum and bulge is cleared, I really think V&M is the last scum over creature. Taylor's treatment of creature really doesn't feel like a scumbuddy's.

Infinity 324 · Post Post #819 (ISO) » Mon Nov 09, 2020 6:47 pm

That's E-1 btw, creature you can hammer when you're ready

Tayl0r Swift · Post Post #820 (ISO) » Mon Nov 09, 2020 6:48 pm

theres nothing for me to defend. the case on me is that people think im the best kill regardless of alignment.

Infinity 324 · Post Post #821 (ISO) » Mon Nov 09, 2020 6:50 pm

In post 740, Alchemist21 wrote:If Infinity targets Bulge and I target Creature, then if Bulge is scum Infinity dies and Creature is cleared then we know Bulge is scum. If Infinity dies but I get a guilty on Creature then Creature can't frame Bulge. This also covers the scenario of Infinity being scum because it forces him to produce a result if he's alive; if Bulge dies and I have a clear on Creature it points right to Infinity as scum.

This is fine for night actions

Venus and Mars · Post Post #822 (ISO) » Mon Nov 09, 2020 7:30 pm

In post 818, Infinity 324 wrote:If taylor flips scum and bulge is cleared, I really think V&M is the last scum over creature. Taylor's treatment of creature really doesn't feel like a scumbuddy's.

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... B%5D=24230

Obvtown!Bulge towngame. Enjoy.

Infinity 324 · Post Post #823 (ISO) » Mon Nov 09, 2020 7:55 pm

You love meta don't you

But yeah he was pretty obvtown in that game and I'm 85% confident it's just taylor/bulge

Venus and Mars · Post Post #824 (ISO) » Mon Nov 09, 2020 8:30 pm

In post 823, Infinity 324 wrote:You love meta don't you

But yeah he was pretty obvtown in that game and I'm 85% confident it's just taylor/bulge

It’s accurate like 65% - 70% of the time, when it’s reasonably recent.

Well it’s kind of interesting that they were both questioning Creature and Tayl0r wasn’t too interested in our Bulge sl.

~M