Newbie 2037 - Game Over

[Rockhopper]

someone asked you why you unvoted, before suddenly claiming Facebones is town and i am scum. It was such an awkward progression i'm having an hard time seeing it as town vs just scum.

How was the progression awkward? I always had Facebones as town. He was literally bleeding town.

[Rockhopper]

I know I can't case norwe and actually push an elim on him
But I reaaallly feel like he's scum

Because? Get your thoughts out before cabd locks the thread.

Facebones is town

At this point, I had {Facebones, Norfolk, Wiyvern, Italiano, me} for town.
I'm confident in narrowing scum down to just {Dunnstral, Mini, Bak, Norw}.

I was definitely hoping that people would be able to sense what was happening without me having to explicitly say it.

You saying you're happy being the D1 elim certainly didn't soft pr to me. If anything, it was a VT soft which is what I was talking about when I said it was negative utility for us to move off of you.

I dont think I buy it. This isn't a town pr play to basically soft vt and then to recalibrate. A town pr doesn't say they're comfortable being the D1 elim. This was a scum gambit that didn't work and so you rethought it. I mean you set us up to be scattering at EoD. You said you're comfortable being the elim, but to wait until 24 hours before forcing a claim. You knew you gonna claim a pr so it was going to be a last minute redirected wagon that gives scum maximum control. And you tried to push it to Italiano who I think is town here which also fits with a scum agenda.

VOTE: Norfolk

I dont buy the claim. I think this is survivalist.

I may be wrong but isn't it best to eliminate somewhere else if there's no counterclaim? This is a convincing case though.

Spoiler: Norfolk

Rocky, Dunnstral and Italiano - if i'm scum, who is my scumbuddy?

Rocky, Dunnstral and Italiano - if i'm scum, who is my scumbuddy?

I don’t partner hunt, but you can tell

us

.

Don't be weak. See it through - name a name.

It’s not weak. I don’t partner hunt.

Town don't dodge questions and if you're town, you need to find 2 scum.

So, go on - who are you currently reading for scum role 2?

Rocky, Dunnstral and Italiano - if i'm scum, who is my scumbuddy?

2 of 3 have posted since this and the other is Dunnstral who is a part timer.

Somebody must be bold enough to share their latest reads on who is scum 2 if i'm scum 1, even if it's a 'gut read'.

Also, I have no problem with being eliminated, but lets be sensible and give it another calendar day or 2 before we go through the E1 process.

I like Billy P. He's like a bear sniffing around for trout.

Also, thanks for answering, padwag. But it's Dunnstral, Rockhopper and Italiano that should be answering. Their silence is well worth noting down.

Simply put, his behaviour here is quite different from that in his previous scum games. I feel like challenging the voters with such confidence to name the second scum is genuine town frustration since this was neither his reaction to his wagons in those games nor a method he implemented to scumhunt as scum. There's also a difference in the level of analysis which could probably be a result of rolling town for the first time.

I fully agree with your case on his claim and I'll prolly vote for him if there's a cc, but this was my read when I unvoted.

Yeah it is not good to continue pushing Norfolk. I think the points made against MiniMegabyte by wiyvern and Norfolk are good enough for a bote:

VOTE: MiniMegabyte

Current Reads List (Updated since my most recent posts)

Spoiler:

Town

Norfolk

(Non-CC Claim Tracker)

Billy

(AT the beginning it was a bit strange that they had their votes everywhere but as they got further into the game they are probably one of the few people that I know of actually giving the game a kick forward. I see this by them asking a lot of questions and attempting to engage others.)

Facebones

(Asks a lot of questions and tries to get the game moving. Again one of the few people to do so and just seems townie atm)

Rockhopper

(Makes a lot of comments and asks people to gain information through reactions and this to me seems like a pretty townie move along with their post of the unlikely pairings from what they think. It seems as though they arent afraid of sharing thoughts which is pretty townie in my eyes)

Null

Backslash

(Very few posts but there is two of them that really contradict each other one of the posts being the answers to Italiano's RQS 46 and 116 - Though this could just be the truth but to me their answer to question 3 really contradicts their next post after that. While they are contradicting I do think that post 169 is a townie post as they are throwing their thoughts out there. This is why they are null for now because i am just not sure.)

Italiano

(I dont really know what to think about them something seems weird to me but I cant really explain it. Its bad I know i am going to do a full ISO dive on them to see if anything can give me some real direction)

Wiyvern

(Not many posts so really cant get anything from what they have said apart from their read list and its not really somethign i would like to go off of at this point but it is good they shared their reads with everyone.)

Scum

Dunnstral

(Very few posts and barely any content. Now this is going to seem very OMGUS but really look at their ISO they vote Norfolk outta gut-which isnt too bad- and then unvotes Norfolk because of no CC which is fair. However they dont give any reason as to why they vote me apart from the points made from two other players are "good enough for a vote". These are the only content points and one of them is sheeped)

Based on this read list i am going to put my vote here

VOTE: Dunnstral

These were done just before the deadline was extended for Norwboy, and I can argue that it's REALLY unlikely for scum to bus here over pushing Norfolk with town!Billy. Especially when the Mini wagon was so susceptible to gaining traction. If I rule out {Dunnstral, Mini} as the scumteam, at least one of {bakslash, NorwegianboyEE} is scum. As for why Norwe is scum, I think the wagon formed on Face was pretty bad.

Are you protecting your buddy Facebones? You seem very concerned about my influence.

I'm townreading Italiano, so im not going there.

Happy you’re here man.

Italiano isn't happening.

All this unvoting is bothersome. Why do it? Especially with no explanation. Let’s put him back at E-2.

VOTE: Norfolk Boy1

VOTE: Norfolk

VOTE: Wiyvern

Yeah let’s get on this

VOTE: Wiyvern

This caught my attention.

A town that’s not united is a town that’s going to lose.

A town united under the influence of a scum leader is a town that's going to lose.



Make up your own minds.

Vote: NorwegianboyEE

I'd like Norwe to explain why this post was

bad faith

. To me it looks entirely possible to come from town. Facebones over {Mini, bak} without the associative argument is a bad faith choice. Moreso if the scumpartner is one of them.

I agree with your logic Mini.

But do you think we should look at Facebones tommorow regardless of what Wiyvern flips?

What do you make of their defence on Wiyvern today?

This is a BAD transition. It's scum setting up one mislynch after another.

When looking at the E1 wagon that formed on me, do any of the people on that wagon ping you as scum?

Honestly, no.
Italiano is a townread.

Mini i could see being town.

Dunnstrall is a weaker read and i'd like to interact with them more, but i don't scumread them.

That said, this townread deserves an explanation too.

[Rockhopper]

Rock, u think i’m scum but encourage hammer on Facebones?
UNVOTE:

Pedit:
God damn it.

I wanted to hear more about what Rocks reads acyually are before the hammer. But too late now.

This is scummy as well.

[ItalianoVD]

The three Day 1 wagons that got to L-1: Norfolk, Facebones, and wiyvern were all town wagons.

[ItalianoVD]

We also know Facebones and wiyvern are town and I think one scum was on all three wagons. I’m not sure about Rockhopper.

[Rockhopper]

In my defense, I did exit Norfolk's wagon before his claim.
And I voted for Face only because I didn't want to risk a no elim.

[ItalianoVD]

Hmm. Interesting results. Don’t know where I’m going right now. I’ll be back later to see what I can find from vca.

I didn't know you were the VCA type.
How accurate do you tend to be might i ask?

Ive been doing vca for years, but didn’t know it was called that until I came here. It’s done a little different here, but the concepts are the same. I’m fairly accurate, but it does make it a lot easier when you flip scum.

This is actually pretty interesting. What are your vca reads?

Facebones - Vanilla Townie

Wiyvern - Doctor

Norwegianboy

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Norfolk - Tracker
Rockhopper - Vanilla Townie???
Dunnstral - Vanilla Townie

Mini

-
Italiano - Vanilla Townie

Bakslash

-

Dunn hammered. Scum usually don’t like hammering, especially on a townie. Dunn is town. I am town. Norfolk is town and we have the two dead townies, which leaves the bolded and Rockhopper who I can’t solidify.

Both bakslash and Mini were reluctant to hammer. Norwegian/Billy was on all three L-1 wagons. If Norwegian is scum then I’d say his partner is more likely to be bakslash than Mini. Norwegian and Mini voted together four times. I don’t think both scum would vote together on Day 1 like that. Norwegian and bakslash makes more sense based on the voting and the flips we have.

Now if Rockhopper is scum then I believe it’s the same. Partner is probably Mini or bakslash. Rockhopper/Norwegian is a possible partner distancing play that we can’t just overlook imo. I’m guessing Rockhopper is townie though. Probably where my vote is going today.

[Rockhopper]

Rockhopper/Norwegian is a possible partner distancing play that we can’t just overlook imo

[ItalianoVD]

VOTE: Norwegian

[Rockhopper]

JUSTICE FOR FACEBONES!!!

[ItalianoVD]

Actually no

VOTE: bakslash

[ItalianoVD]

If Norwegian is scum, Norway tracked him nowhere, which means his partner did the kill. He also wouldn’t be the rolecop. Bakslash is a scum partner in every scenario.

[Rockhopper]

The rolecop wouldn't have to use their ability since both the PRs have been exposed

[Rockhopper]

Bakslash is a scum partner in every scenario.

Makes sense from your perspective. But I'm not fully convinced about how a Mini/Norw team is a less likely matchup.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Hmm. Interesting results. Don’t know where I’m going right now. I’ll be back later to see what I can find from vca.

I didn't know you were the VCA type.
How accurate do you tend to be might i ask?

Ive been doing vca for years, but didn’t know it was called that until I came here. It’s done a little different here, but the concepts are the same. I’m fairly accurate, but it does make it a lot easier when you flip scum.

Me flipping scum equals= False

[NorwegianboyEE]

Dunn hammered. Scum usually don’t like hammering, especially on a townie. Dunn is town.

Seriously? Dunn hammered an wagon when there was barely any time left. Do you think any scum would just stand idly by in that scenario because "scum don’t like to hammer"?

[NorwegianboyEE]

I do agree on your read of Bakslash and Mini. They have both been actively lurking. Just popping in at various times with not very informative posts. One of Rocks partners is probably in there. It could be Mini and he’s trying to force an false association with me.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I’d probably be willing to vote any of Mini/Bakslash if it came down to it. As i don’t really townread any of them and by PoE they do need to go at some point. But my most preferred vote is Rock at the moment.

[Norfolk Boy1]

Rockhopper going "Facebones was so obviously town" is one of my favourite scum tactics.

I don't see where this "Dunnstral is town" vibe is coming from. I think he's quite dangerous as his main contributions have been to shrug, agree with someone else's thoughts and then jump on a wagon.

[NorwegianboyEE]

People pushing an wagon on me when i’m at least 50% mechanically confirmed less likely to be scum. (There was a kill, Norfolk confirmed i didn’t go anywhere) is pretty bad in itself. I don’t think Italiano is necesarilly bad but Rock most definitely is.

[NorwegianboyEE]

The rolecop wouldn't have to use their ability since both the PRs have been exposed

Like look at this little scumbutt trying to explain that away.

[MiniMegabyte]

If Norwegian is scum, Norway tracked him nowhere, which means his partner did the kill. He also wouldn’t be the rolecop. Bakslash is a scum partner in every scenario.

So you’re saying Norwegian/backslash as a scum team?

[MiniMegabyte]

That could actually be a thing because from what I have skimmed there has been little to almost no interaction between them

[NorwegianboyEE]

That could actually be a thing because from what I have skimmed there has been little to almost no interaction between them

This seems a bit like false equivalency. I don't think Bakslash has had strong interactions with anyone.

[MiniMegabyte]

Yes but at least they have responded to some posts by others but nothing to do with your slot