Death Curse

[Bell]

I kind of just want to yolo yeet Titus.

[Gloria Cleary]

gloria you think scum!fidget and scum!flea were both on scum!shelly rather than town!toog?

Did you read the VC? I don’t understand what you’re asking me?

it just seems odd that scum would be so blatant in voting. i doubt based on that VC that all of fidget, flea, and shelly are scum.

It isn’t just based on VCs, there’s also the Fred connections. I probably wouldn’t be reading so much into it if it were just that.

I think it’s probably more likely not all but I don’t think you can entirely rule that out. I definitely do believe that Fred didn’t want Fidget yeeted for whatever reason and that’s why he switched his scroll from Adorable to LLD.

sure. i mostly agree. im just not sure that flea is scum. i think fidget is. shelly pretty clearly is. im not sure why we're waiting to hammer there tbh. if shelly is town then uno is confscum and shelly scrolls there.

Yeah, Shelley scumflip definitely points to Fidget as a likely buddy. I don’t understand though why Owno is confiscum if she’s town though?

[Bell]

He’s not.
It’s easier to town clear by scum flipping than the opposite.

[Flea The Magician]

Spoiler:

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Votecount 1.20

(FINAL)

[11] Toogeloo:

Hopkirk, MURDERCAT, Titus, Toogeloo, Theta Alpine, MUSHSHAGANA, Lady Lambdadelta, Noraa, UNOwen, shellyc, Bell

HAMMER

[2] Tayl0r Swift:

PookyTheMagicalBear, Bell

[2] Bell:

Tayl0r Swift, Vaxkiller

[2] shellyc:

Fidget, Flea The Magician

[1] Noraa:

Adorable

[1] PookyTheMagicalBear

Gloria Cleary

[1] Adorable:

Lapsa

[1] Not Voting:

Zdenek

With 20 alive, it takes 11 to curse someone with the scroll. If there is no majority by the deadline, the mafia will choose who to curse.

The cursing deadline is in (expired on 2020-10-28 03:35:35).

Joint moderator ISO.

@Flea, both you and Fidget were on Shelley.

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Votecount 2.5

(FINAL)

[9] Fredrick A Campbell:

Bell, MUSHSHAGANA, Flea The Magician, PookyTheMagicalBear, UNOwen, MURDERCAT, Titus, shellyc, Fidget

[1] Noraa:

Adorable

[1] Tayl0r Swift:

Fredrick A Campbell

[1] Fidget:

Tayl0r Swift

[1] Adorable:

Theta Alpine

[1] PookyTheMagicalBear:

Noraa

[3] Not Voting:

Lady Lambdadelta, DrippingGoofball, Gloria Cleary

With 17 alive, it takes 9 to curse someone with the scroll. If there is no majority by the deadline, the mafia will choose who to curse.

The cursing deadline is in (expired on 2020-11-06 21:29:24).

Joint moderator ISO.

And all three of you were on Fred.

shellyc, Flea The Magician, Adorable and Gloria Cleary.

Then this.

And I’ve already discussed Fred’s switch from scrolling Adorable to LLD after she changed her scroll target from Noraa to Fidget. I mean it’s possible that all of this is sheer cooincidence but what are the odds?

Soo, you're using some loose VCA, WIFOM, and a gamblers fallacy.

Kewl.

I think the associatives here are pretty compelling and instead of explaining why I’m wrong you just dismiss it. So do you have an alternative explanation or do you just chalk all of it up to sheer coincidence and why?

Cant argue against a fallacy. If youre using it, its on you.

How is it a fallacy? Do you or do you not agree that it’s interesting that the same names keep being connected? Like if I had entirely different names, would you be that quick to dismiss it?

Yup.
OK Fine. You're using loose VCA and simply tracking names in places, not where or reasons for votes.
You're using a list from a doomed scum, that list should be disregarded as wifom.
You're attempting to justify this with "odds" - part of a gamblers fallacy.

[MURDERCAT]

I kind of just want to yolo yeet Titus.

I don't really because I feel like I could be wrong. I think it's less likely in wrong on shelly and being wrong there is more useful because it helps me with Pooky

[Tayl0r Swift]

Yeah, Shelley scumflip definitely points to Fidget as a likely buddy. I don’t understand though why Owno is confiscum if she’s town though?

theres one scum in uno and shelly. slight chance of 2 but very unlikely. id say almost no chance theyre both town.

[DrippingGoofball]

all of dgb's takes seem to be aimed towards disrupting consensus and breaking associations.

That's an inevitable artifact of being a replacement in a long game and relying on

ISOs

[Bell]

VOTE: shellyc

[Tayl0r Swift]

all of dgb's takes seem to be aimed towards disrupting consensus and breaking associations.

That's an inevitable artifact of being a replacement in a long game and relying on

ISOs

ask your scumbuddies for help figuring out what your reads should be

[DrippingGoofball]

I kind of just want to yolo yeet Titus.

I am in game-love LOL

[Tayl0r Swift]

ok noraa

[UNOwen]

Don't particularly want to speculate too much on shelly's most likely partner yet in case it influences how she scrolls.

Even outside of the shelly flip I think Taylor is town here. The interactions with Fred were too harsh from his end for me to imagine that being a doomed scum distancing from his partner. In particular the bit where he pressed Taylor for having poor reasons to be defending him, which is not so much "if I go down you look townie" instead "if I'm going down then you'll be next!". Also, her play around the Fred flip doesn't really have a coherent scum strategy - switching from "scum are trying to execute Fred" to "no longer town reading Fred" to "Fidget scum means Fred is town". I've seen town Taylor pull this sort of drastic turn based on wagon dynamics before, so I can well believe that was her thought process.

[DrippingGoofball]

ask your scumbuddies for help figuring out what your reads should be

My bad

[Bell]

I feel the exact opposite and already explained my view that it seemed like he was calibrating off a scum buddy whilst distancing for your exact response.

[Bell]

Taylor was in no danger from Fred as scum.
Fred knew that, it’s not like he wasn’t aware he was under a lot of pressure.
He played like newbie scum, but even newbie scum aren’t totally harmless or lacking in basic deception.

[MURDERCAT]

VOTE: shellyc

Feel like there's more to get out of this phase still

[Bell]

That’s kind of why I unvoted.

But I’m trying to terminate unnecessary thoughts.

[Bell]

I took 5904 as a prompt to go back to shelly.

[UNOwen]

I feel the exact opposite and already explained my view that it seemed like he was calibrating off a scum buddy whilst distancing for your exact response.

Yeah, I know there's a risk that this is what he wanted me to think but there's only so far you can go down that rabbit hole.

Distancing is one thing but if your scum buddy is making an effort to defend you, exposing them for that seems to have a good chance of just bringing you both down. I don't think I believe Fred would be brave enough to take that gamble.

[Flea The Magician]

VOTE: shellyc

Feel like there's more to get out of this phase still

Shellys at L-1 afaik, we got like 5 days before the noraammer comes crashing down. unless she gets bored

[DrippingGoofball]

Given the game mechanics, is there a reason why I shouldn't hammer?

[Bell]

Noraa may kill you.

[Tayl0r Swift]

because noraa asked for the privilege of hammering.

[Noraa]

Im not caught up but if anyone dares take my hammer, Imma be mad. REAL MAD.

[Tayl0r Swift]

Im not caught up but if anyone dares take my hammer, Imma be mad. REAL MAD.

VOTE: shelly