976: mystyry box of sylvyr I: isis game. day 3

[NicCage]

Akarin do you understand what I am asking Math?

All game I have tried to get Dunn to do something. I tried several tactics, you can see them. I let him know what I thought about his play, and made it clear I was going to go after him over it. He didn't do what I thought he ought to have, so now I think he's scum.
This is basically what you are doing with me. You are pressuring me because you think my actions aren't town. You want me to act differently to help prove I am town. If I don't, you intend to go after me.

What I want to know if why are my actions so foreign to Math, when they are cut from the same cloth. I want to try to separate whether he is genuinely tunneling me or if he has other motives.

Akarin, how do you read Math?

[Akarin]

Yeah, Nic, I get your argument about Dunn and how that compares to Math's push on you re: lack-of-scumhunting.

I don't think that angle is actually important to reading Math though, and I don't think pushing it further is going to achieve much if anything in getting a better read on him.

I actually think the more interesting thing is whether these little pushes at you from him to keep this argument going (like in his response to me about it) come from a scum shit-stirring POV or if that's just who he is. For that I need to spend some serious time on meta, or trust Mastina, so it's kind of tied in with other things. If Mastina is town, I trust her. If she's scum not-with-Math I trust her. So basically if Mastina thinks this is normal town Math, I don't want to Mob Justice Math without a Mastina scum flip, at least not barring a lot more stuff later on.

[MathBlade]

Oh no. You misunderstand me. I am not pressuring you. I am telling everyone I don’t think you’re town. I am backing off as a favor to A. I don’t think you can hunt. I am giving you the chance to prove me wrong as I was asked to.

As a minimum you’re not listening to me when I tell you your setup spec is wrong. Your lack of hunting will prove my case for me that you’re not town. And it’s 100% not constructive to continue this, another point I agree. I look forward to being surprised.

Pedit agreed with that from A except how Mastina scum makes me more likely to be scum

[Akarin]

Pedit agreed with that from A except how Mastina scum makes me more likely to be scum

Not what I said. I'm saying that Mastina being scum is almost a necessary condition for you being scum, IF she still townreads you after this exchange.

And for the record, I think these responses to Nic are hurting rather than helping. This continuing isn't as one-sided on Nic's side as you think. Those kind of responses are likely to antagonize people.

[MathBlade]

Pedit agreed with that from A except how Mastina scum makes me more likely to be scum

Not what I said. I'm saying that Mastina being scum is almost a necessary condition for you being scum, IF she still townreads you after this exchange.

And for the record, I think these responses to Nic are hurting rather than helping. This continuing isn't as one-sided on Nic's side as you think. Those kind of responses are likely to antagonize people.

Awesome. Then Nic can stop asking me shit like that and I can review your link at lunch then?

Because if he asks me shit and misreps it I will respond. If it pisses people off but they see what I am doing I am a okay with that.

[DoubtingThomas]

dunn's defense of niccage lacks critical t hinking and suspicion that a town player should have naturally in the game. he's prob scum here

[DoubtingThomas]

let's kill dunn

[MathBlade]

dunn's defense of niccage lacks critical t hinking and suspicion that a town player should have naturally in the game. he's prob scum here

Scum scum or 3P scum? Which do you think?

[MathBlade]

And before you yell that’s a triviality it’s really not.

Because I have a feeling if Mastina isn’t 3P there is a deep 3P in redacted. But I kinda don’t wanna share that theory yet.

[MathBlade]

So the real question is, if we get a Mafia flip rather than a 3rd party flip, is this a townslip for Gypyx?

I'm kind of leaning yes.

Akarin / nic might be the team

Akarin, while you're here, why did you assume 2 scum vs 7 town?

I can definitely see this as possible. But more that Akarin +Nic would be scum 3P not scum scum.

But this only works if that is indeed a townslip from G and some of G’s other play has been weird but they could be new.

[MathBlade]

Okay, the only way I see this move making sense for teamscum!Gypyx is if he's partners with Dunn and panicked about how little resistance there might be to a Dunn Dastardly Deed. Otherwise it just seems too weird to be scum.

Why did you not consider Nic + Dunn a possibility?

[MathBlade]

I could see an Akarin as the scum lead and she is guiding Nic on trying to reinforce a two man scum team with different clues, but in reality them being a scum 3P team together. Akarin strikes me as familiar but I can’t place it where I know her yet.

[MathBlade]

Then they realize they want to/have to get rid of Dunn so they push him here. This seems way too choreographed to be natural from Nic + Dunn just trying to find the puppet master

[MathBlade]

Who should I vote for?

don't like this at all

Give me 5 good reasons why

Someone's awful spicy for having nothing but Mastina sheep and PoE

like, what? PoE is one of the strongest town tools out there and solves many a game, but... go off i guess
this, plus nic's general posting, is just unproductive and inflammatory shitposting

VOTE: Dunnstral

I am on board for this. I see little in the way of productive gameplay. After his very early suspicion on me, I was expecting a different trajectory than what has emerged. All I see is a couple comments and him asking questions primarily when he is the target of someone else's reads. No votes and no reads of his own.

Yet he is around, since he's responding. And active elsewhere on the site too.

mastina thinks I'm scum why?

Because the you-Nic interactions scream scum-scum and your play is highly lackluster; I'd like to think I know you as a player well enough to reliably get a read on when you're town and this game I'm not seeing the town at all.

I usually can see you as town from your first three or so posts at latest, generally speaking.

You've more than that and those townvibes are nonexistent.

Mastina, I am curious about Dunnstral's usual play, do you think you could characterize it further?


Additionally, @DoubtingThomas:
You indicated that you played with Dunnstral before earlier, if I remember correctly. What's your opinion on his play?

so, let me get this straight. mastina is explaining a scumread on dunnstral based, largely, on her reading of the interactions between you two as S/S, and yet you completely ignore the

post you quoted

and simply vote dunnstral with mediocre reasons at best, and ask mastina to explain dunn further
like this screams "bussing your scumpartner for towncred" and it's terrible

It’s terrible yes, but if Mastina is town and if Nic is scum this reads more like a “Dunn is a different alignment scum”.

A caught on to what I was doing in solidifying the informed claim and therefore won’t vote Dunn because if Dunn flips 3P (but not scum) as I suspect if he is scum he is 3P not group scum then A has to vote Nic tomorrow.

So in short I don’t feel bad about a Dunn flip but if my other theory is right and Dunn is town then we’ve done nothing towards Nic’s informed claim which reeks of BS. But if he flips red scum I will gladly do the forum equivalent of stick a sock in my mouth and shut the f up.

[MathBlade]

Who should I vote for?

Why did you ask this?

Because I wanted somebody to suggest me someone to vote for

Because I wanted somebody to suggest me someone to vote for

OK, vote for Akarin

Why should I?

this entire interaction causes me physical pain
niccage asking for someone to vote for screams newbscum to me, and his response to dunnstral asking why is weird, ESPECIALLY since he later calls dunnstral out for... ironically, not having reads.

Yup. Newb 3P. He literally asked me how the fuck do I townread him?

Gonna shut up now. Let others respond.

[Gypyx]

I'm back, reading what has happened

We only have one day btw, now would be a good time to consolidate a wagon for good

[Gypyx]

And TGP wasn't going on joyed

Pedit : ah okay, well why do you think i'm town then if i'm scumclaiming? @akarin

This hasn't been answered i think

[Akarin]

Okay, the only way I see this move making sense for teamscum!Gypyx is if he's partners with Dunn and panicked about how little resistance there might be to a Dunn Dastardly Deed. Otherwise it just seems too weird to be scum.

Why did you not consider Nic + Dunn a possibility?

Why did I not consider a Gypyx + Nic + Dunn scumteam in a 9 player game?

[MathBlade]

Okay, the only way I see this move making sense for teamscum!Gypyx is if he's partners with Dunn and panicked about how little resistance there might be to a Dunn Dastardly Deed. Otherwise it just seems too weird to be scum.

Why did you not consider Nic + Dunn a possibility?

Why did I not consider a Gypyx + Nic + Dunn scumteam in a 9 player game?

Yes. 5 3P is valid they could all be scum.

[Akarin]

day talk is enabled everywhere.

Also, Math, I don't believe we've ever played together but I could be forgetting.

[DoubtingThomas]

I have a geuniune scummy vibe/read on more than 2 people that I think it makes more sense that we are not i the 2 scum world, but the 5 3-p world. It also makes sense with multiple people trying to push the 2 people scum world, which I personally don't make sense based on how many people have been posting so much with agenda. It's a personal take and might be a bad take, but I don't think there's a need for a neighborhood in a 2 scum vs 7 town game. A mason, maybe, but a neighborhood? (neighborhood makes sense in a 5 person 3-p world because the game is not fully comprised of only towns and scums)

[Akarin]

And TGP wasn't going on joyed

Pedit : ah okay, well why do you think i'm town then if i'm scumclaiming? @akarin

This hasn't been answered i think

It's been answered both before and after you said it. I'm townreading you for the reasons I was townreading you before yesterday, and the reasons I was hoping to talk with Math about before he got all tinfoil hat.

[DoubtingThomas]

Okay, the only way I see this move making sense for teamscum!Gypyx is if he's partners with Dunn and panicked about how little resistance there might be to a Dunn Dastardly Deed. Otherwise it just seems too weird to be scum.

Why did you not consider Nic + Dunn a possibility?

Why did I not consider a Gypyx + Nic + Dunn scumteam in a 9 player game?

Yes. 5 3P is valid they could all be scum.

certainly posts like this wehre I think 3p's are just trying super hard to hide the fact that they are 3p. Some others who seem to be responsible for this fallacy (e.g. dunnstral and nic) If I were a town, and if I am in a neighborhood with someone else who is saying stuff like "I have info that you are 10% chance of being scum! and especially now that nic pointed out there's a chance that the game is not 2 scum/7 town, my first guess is to be very very extra wary of the other person in my neighborhood. neighborhood just doesn't seem that plausible in a 9 player game with 2 scums.

or maybe dunn might be the actual scum in 2s/7t game so he's confbiasing himself? idk

[DoubtingThomas]

killing dunn is probably a necessity at this point regardless of his alignment. we need information there. him or niccage.

[Akarin]

Okay, the only way I see this move making sense for teamscum!Gypyx is if he's partners with Dunn and panicked about how little resistance there might be to a Dunn Dastardly Deed. Otherwise it just seems too weird to be scum.

Why did you not consider Nic + Dunn a possibility?

Why did I not consider a Gypyx + Nic + Dunn scumteam in a 9 player game?

Yes. 5 3P is valid they could all be scum.

Because if they all have different wincons they aren't a team.

How does that give Gypyx a scum (or scummy 3P) motive for the push I was talking about?