976: mystyry box of sylvyr I: isis game. day 3

[DoubtingThomas]

As for mastina, her posts from first 3 pages compared to the posts in the last ~5 ish pages are like night and day. I am not sure if I can really categorize that to be scummy or townie. Yes, in general, it's town indicative to show more motivation in genuine solving after new info is out. However, because this game can be a 5 person 3-p game, this sort of behavior is probably also true for non-town alignment player.

Mastina could be a 3P, but if she is she’s townsiding today and not worth a PoE.

I kinda hinted at it when I mentioned you should be in the town block.

More than likely if she is 3P, Mastina is balancing siding with A who is likely 3P and me who is town and trying to figure out how to fit which is why she pushed Skye for a bit.

I don’t see her as group scum though.

yeah, I got the same vibe. she was getting pushed by I believe dunn and the wagon was getting a minor attraction not too much before you subbed in. that push came out of nowhere

[DoubtingThomas]

ftr, even though I was scum reading Akarin before I feel better about her, I think. I think as scum she would have put me in her PoE, but she didn't even though it probably was really easy for her to do so. I think I see a genuine progression in thought there.

I think A is looking for a way out and knows you’re not low hanging fruit.

The resistance to both Nic and Dunn is rather telling neither have been hammered.

I can see that. I also believe Nic and Dunn should be dead soon. why are you voting dunn over nic?

I’m not?

oh I saw nic vote you and you said 'bring it' and 'omgus' so I assumed you voted him and he voted you back

[MathBlade]

ftr, even though I was scum reading Akarin before I feel better about her, I think. I think as scum she would have put me in her PoE, but she didn't even though it probably was really easy for her to do so. I think I see a genuine progression in thought there.

I think A is looking for a way out and knows you’re not low hanging fruit.

The resistance to both Nic and Dunn is rather telling neither have been hammered.

I can see that. I also believe Nic and Dunn should be dead soon. why are you voting dunn over nic?

I’m not?

oh I saw nic vote you and you said 'bring it' and 'omgus' so I assumed you voted him and he voted you back

That is correct. I voted Nic.

Your question asks why I am voting Dunn instead of Nic.

[DoubtingThomas]

UGH it's late and I should just go to sleep. the question I guess is why you are voting nic over dunn. I personally believe both are about the same and dunn gives out a lot of information too. nic is a better player to have around for another day+ if he's gonna post more. it's weird, but it's true. if players don't post enough it's gonna be hard to read them regardless of their alignment and isn't good for town.

if you are willing to convince me to vote nic over dunn, I am open to hearing it

[MathBlade]

UGH it's late and I should just go to sleep. the question I guess is why you are voting nic over dunn. I personally believe both are about the same and dunn gives out a lot of information too. nic is a better player to have around for another day+ if he's gonna post more. it's weird, but it's true. if players don't post enough it's gonna be hard to read them regardless of their alignment and isn't good for town.

if you are willing to convince me to vote nic over dunn, I am open to hearing it

If you think of them both the same, the mechanically smart play is to eliminate Nic.

If we’re wrong and he is town, then we net a very likely town in Dunn as I believe the game is 3P.

If anything we need to prevent miseliminations in case I am right and it is 3P.

Where as if we eliminate Dunn and we’re wrong that tells us nothing about Nic. If Dunn is 3P then Nic is conf!3P and if Dunn is scum there’s still this ambivalent weird bus possibility.

Eliminating Nic puts us in a better situation whether right or wrong.

[Gypyx]

VOTE: niccage

I probably won't have much time today so popping in to place my vote

[TheGoldenParadox]

we have 9 hours and we need 2 more votes on nic

[DoubtingThomas]

do we no lynch if we don't have enough vote? My soul vote is on nic

[TheGoldenParadox]

An execution will occur once a majority decision is reached. If no majority is reached by deadline, then no execution shall occur.

yep, we nolim if we don't have enough votes. gentle reminder about the l-word.

[DoubtingThomas]

VOTE: niccage

This is L-1

[NicCage]

My final prediction is it is Dunn and someone else. Mastina, Math, mayyybe Gypyx
Math is way off the mark, killing me will tell you nothing. It’ll be really easy for anyone with a kill power to pick out another townie, and then you still won’t know Dunn’s alignment.

The best thing to do would be to try someone who could possibly be 3p, and see if you can get a 3p flip. If you do you’ll know Dunn is town for sure. If you don’t get one it increases the chances against him. Because it’s me vs him, if you do me you’ll know I was telling the truth, but you STILL won’t know anything about Dunn.

Protect Akarin if you can.

[Akarin]

from play, nic seems to me like scum as well

Sell me on why Nic's play is scum?

[MathBlade]

Uhm,

That is factually false unless you are scum.

The options are
1) You are town and truthtelling >> Dunn can’t be 3P which means miraculously the wagon on him dies if people are 3P as I suspect.
2) You are town and lying >> Well that sucks. Can’t do shit about that.
3) You are 3P and telling the truth >> You shouldn’t have been on Dunn and suspecting him.
4) You are 3P and lying >> We eliminated a lying 3P and Dunn can be sorted tomorrow.
5) You are scum >> Dunn is likely town but not proven so.

What option is missing?

[Akarin]

Shut up Math, I want to hear from TGP

[NicCage]

@Mastina do you really think I’m 3p, and that I did allll of this shit? Do you really believe I fakeclaimed a role to Dunn which you yourself say is unusual? I have no played a game in 5 years, I don’t know if I have ever seen an informed role. Why would I fakeclaim percentages? If I was going to fakeclaim, wouldn’t I look up what to fakeclaim? Wouldn’t I copy something from somewhere else? If I’m 3p why claim a role which says Dunn must be town. Why repeat what the mod said which doesn’t benefit me instead of lying and saying that “mafia” actually meant non-town?

My play does not make sense from a scum perspective. My play does not make sense from a 3p perspective. It does make sense from a town perspective.

@Akarin
I think overall you are playing very well. But at this point, saying absolutely no to Dunn is probably going to kill me.

[MathBlade]

Shut up Math, I want to hear from TGP

I shut up for a good 12 hours earlier. Why are you not confronting the above?

Do you somehow think miraculously that in a few hours a huge group is going to come on and eliminate someone besides Nic or Dunn? Nic didn’t even try to present a case and is outright threatening to have me killed.

At best you are pocketed by Nic. At worst you’re scum with him.

[DoubtingThomas]

worry not, niccage. if you are town, please leave a legacy that we can sheep.

[NicCage]

worry not, niccage. if you are town, please leave a legacy that we can sheep.

I would ask you right now to speculate what you think that legacy is going to be assuming I've told the truth about everything.
I think you are going to be in the dark.

[Akarin]

Math, you made over 6 pages worth of posts in a 30 page game in 24 hours.

People are coasting and it's easy for them to miss or "miss" questions in the noise.

I want to see TGP actually explain their thoughts before the day ends.

[NicCage]

like what is Dunnstral doing? He's literally posting 1 post while others are posting like at least 5 times? Not that activity should be used to scum read people but this is like to the point where he just simply seems like he has no interest in game? He will never leave the PoE like he deserves and we could sort of clear nic based on whether or not dunnstral flips a scum rolecard. I also have this huge gut feeling that he's most likely to have a team right now based on how the thread slowly moving away from his lynch over niccage's even though t here's not much point in that and would like a dunnstral flip first.

You are being silly. Almost all of the push on me has come from Math. If you are convinced by him, tell me why.

VOTE: Dunnstral

[TheGoldenParadox]

@akarin i've explained my case on nic a few times in my iso. plus, all of his voting now looks like desperate scum trying to avoid being limmed. also, we have just a few hours until deadline.

[MathBlade]

Math, you made over 6 pages worth of posts in a 30 page game in 24 hours.

People are coasting and it's easy for them to miss or "miss" questions in the noise.

I want to see TGP actually explain their thoughts before the day ends.

And a majority of that was catching up / getting into the swing of things.

Again you’re failing to interact with the logic above.

You posting about that doesn’t stop TGP from answering and if need be I will be a cheerleader for it.

However you need to confront the reality of how defensive/anti-hunt Nic is truly being.

[NicCage]

i'll case niccage later but y'all they're screaming scum

TGP I agree with your read, but I hope for the love of god that your page 10 posts weren't the case against NicCage because the case is such that it's likely to turn people off of the idea of wagoning Nic.

[MathBlade]

@akarin i've explained my case on nic a few times in my iso. plus, all of his voting now looks like desperate scum trying to avoid being limmed. also, we have just a few hours until deadline.

Expand on that more.

Give examples.

Akarin if town wants to read you. Show her what I and Mastina see.

[Akarin]

@akarin i've explained my case on nic a few times in my iso. plus, all of his voting now looks like desperate scum trying to avoid being limmed. also, we have just a few hours until deadline.

I see mostly stuff from quite a while back that other people have refuted at various times and I'm wondering what of that is still in your reasoning and if you have any responses to people who've argued against the stuff you keep requoting?