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[Infinity 324]

Whatever thoughts you have. Right now I'm thinking about how scum would be behaving in a gamestate like this. I'm thinking the scum are doing a good job at not being suspected and/or controlling the discussion, explaining why town is kinda all over the place. That would point me toward you being scum. But I could be wrong and I wanna know what you think.

[VP Baltar]

I'm thinking the scum are doing a good job at not being suspected and/or controlling the discussion, explaining why town is kinda all over the place.

Might surprise you that I agree with this.

I do think you should take another look at Taylor here. Her play is grimy in terms of bad intentions imo.

Part of me wants Jackson to be scum, but they also post some pretty towny things so I'm having a harder time with that.

I think FL and Koba are quite town given how transparent they are, but I'm also paranoid I could be getting duped.

I think your claim is pretty suss in an unforced error way.

DGB could be smart scum here. She has fooled me before. But overall, my reads have been aligning with hers, so I'm either way off base or we are both town.

Andres was feeling more towny to me EOD D1, but I'm waiting for him to weigh in.

A50 is pretty much wallpaper up until this point, but I wasn't really pinged by zdenek.

N_M is a blank slate.

I have tomorrow off and plan to read some of those bullish reads more in-depth.

[Tayl0r Swift]

i dont see how my reads could be quite this backwards. i have meta reasons to think mark is town. even if a50 is scum, who is a50 scum with? NM and infinity? FL?

[Infinity 324]

I'm thinking the scum are doing a good job at not being suspected and/or controlling the discussion, explaining why town is kinda all over the place.

Might surprise you that I agree with this.

I do think you should take another look at Taylor here. Her play is grimy in terms of bad intentions imo.

I can look into taylor again, I'm just confused about why she would pocket me as scum on d1 when I was likely to be limmed? I understand you don't like her progression on me, but I don't see the scum motivation for it. She townread me when I started putting in effort and I knew that was going to happen because I think that's what she was looking for based on meta. I also think that wondering why you didn't push her today is a towny thing to point out if anything. Yeah you said you'd be away but looking to see when people follow up and when they don't is a towny instinct.

Who do you think are the scum who are controlling the discussion/not being suspected here?

[VP Baltar]

I have tomorrow off and plan to read some of those bullish reads more in-depth.

That should say nullish. Autocorrect got me

[Tayl0r Swift]

I'm thinking the scum are doing a good job at not being suspected and/or controlling the discussion, explaining why town is kinda all over the place.

Might surprise you that I agree with this.

I do think you should take another look at Taylor here. Her play is grimy in terms of bad intentions imo.

I can look into taylor again, I'm just confused about why she would pocket me as scum on d1 when I was likely to be limmed? I understand you don't like her progression on me, but I don't see the scum motivation for it. She townread me when I started putting in effort and I knew that was going to happen because I think that's what she was looking for based on meta. I also think that wondering why you didn't push her today is a towny thing to point out if anything. Yeah you said you'd be away but looking to see when people follow up and when they don't is a towny instinct.

Who do you think are the scum who are controlling the discussion/not being suspected here?

i think VP is implying that my progression on you comes from us both being scum, i.e. i scumread you to distance from you all day, but then when other people started scumreading you i backed off so youd be less likely to die. its a pre-flip associative read that ignores the actual context of why my read on you changed.

[VP Baltar]

I understand you don't like her progression on me, but I don't see the scum motivation for it.

You kidding?

If you are town, finding a reason to flop off the wagon that is going to flip town is good for scum. Makes analysis later much harder. Both of you ended up on geraintm later, but that was also after I pressured her.

In terms of people controlling discussion but not being suspected, mark could fall into that category. You and Taylor as well. I'll be surprised if you are both town.

[VP Baltar]

i think VP is implying that my progression on you comes from us both being scum, i.e. i scumread you to distance from you all day, but then when other people started scumreading you i backed off so youd be less likely to die. its a pre-flip associative read that ignores the actual context of why my read on you changed.

That's possible too, but I don't think you both absolutely have to be scum in this scenario

[Tayl0r Swift]

i think VP is implying that my progression on you comes from us both being scum, i.e. i scumread you to distance from you all day, but then when other people started scumreading you i backed off so youd be less likely to die. its a pre-flip associative read that ignores the actual context of why my read on you changed.

That's possible too, but I don't think you both absolutely have to be scum in this scenario

yes, leave your options open so no matter what happens you can push us both.

[VP Baltar]

If I was scum, I doubt I'd be hitching my wagon to Koba. If they flip scum, I fully expect to eat a misyeet (and probably deserve it)


Reality is, you two have the highest scum equity imo

[DkKoba]

what if the missing piece of the puzzle all along was NM being mafia?

[DkKoba]

this is why i hate playing with gamethrow accounts

[Infinity 324]

If you are town, finding a reason to flop off the wagon that is going to flip town is good for scum. Makes analysis later much harder. Both of you ended up on geraintm later, but that was also after I pressured her.

i think VP is implying that my progression on you comes from us both being scum, i.e. i scumread you to distance from you all day, but then when other people started scumreading you i backed off so youd be less likely to die. its a pre-flip associative read that ignores the actual context of why my read on you changed.

That's possible too, but I don't think you both absolutely have to be scum in this scenario

Well either I was going to die without her vote or I wasn't. If taylor is my scumbuddy and thinks my lim is inevitable, then she should try to bus. If I'm town and I'm going to die anyway, she wants to be off the wagon. These statements don't really go together imo. The way I see it, my lim wasn't inevitable since there were wagons on koba and gerain at the time. Her unvote made it less likely for me to get limmed, which isn't great for scum fmpov. Also, if koba is town, that means all 3 wagons were on town and none of this really matters since no scum was in danger.

I'm not sure how you think me and taylor are controlling the discussion, I've had a wagon on me since late d1 and people generally aren't listening to me. People also aren't really listening to taylor either and she didn't post a ton d1. Both of us are the only players who suspect you.

[Tayl0r Swift]

If I was scum, I doubt I'd be hitching my wagon to Koba. If they flip scum, I fully expect to eat a misyeet (and probably deserve it)


Reality is, you two have the highest scum equity imo

this post doesnt make sense because if you were scum youd know koba was scum. but its also so obvious that i dont believe it as a townslip. it also halfway implies that koba is scum. strange post.

can you lay out the cases on me and infinity please?

[VP Baltar]

what if the missing piece of the puzzle all along was NM being mafia?

Yeah, I mean, someone vig that mfer

[VP Baltar]

can you lay out the cases on me and infinity please?

I've already explained why I find you both scummy

[VP Baltar]

I'm not sure how you think me and taylor are controlling the discussion,

You both talk a lot, which in this game is equal to controlling and influencing discussion.

Plus you seem to be aligning together, which is more power.

[DkKoba]

hey im tipsy

[DkKoba]

vp can i ask u where ur head is at rn

[Tayl0r Swift]

I'm not sure how you think me and taylor are controlling the discussion,

You both talk a lot, which in this game is equal to controlling and influencing discussion.

Plus you seem to be aligning together, which is more power.

oh so you mean like what you dgb and koba are doing to us?

[Tayl0r Swift]

I'm not sure how you think me and taylor are controlling the discussion,

You both talk a lot, which in this game is equal to controlling and influencing discussion.

Plus you seem to be aligning together, which is more power.

koba is top poster, then infinity, then you then me. i dont see how me and infinity could be scum hyperposting and controlling things in that scenario. and clearly we dont have much influence since the majority of active players dont seem to want to wagon my scumreads but they will wagon me.

[Infinity 324]

{n_m, A50, VP, DGB, koba}

I keep coming back to this PoE.

[Andresvmb]

I’m catching up now I’ll come back with thoughts. Sorry for making you wait guys.

[DkKoba]

waiting on u andres

[DkKoba]

im tipsy asf and drunk me does NOT TRUST THAT ANDRES IS AVOIDING THIS GAME