Death Curse

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

big yikes

[MUSHSHAGANA]

Hey, who's got the dirt on shelly associatives?

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

I think she applied to be my defense lawyer at some point

[Fidget]

Shelley scumflip definitely points to Fidget as a likely buddy.

Why do people keep saying this? It's getting on my nerves. Next you're going to say scum!shelly implicates taylor or Flea by virtue of us being on her so long. I haven't actually found the reasoning for me being with shelly yet, but if it's anything like the Frederick-Fidget reasoning, I will probably hate it.

Anyway, I see shelly's been given the scroll. What happens next, shelly? C:

I think that’s kind of a reach. The Flea associatives aren’t as strong as yours. Tayl0r is still somewhat of a mystery to me. I think Titus’ theory about her and Shelley being linked I lean against. I think she actually was trying to switch it to Tayl0r.

AtE doesn’t really sway me much and I don’t find yours particularly convincing. I’m picking up more nervousness than outrage. Both you and Flea dismissed my theory but they seemed to be la lot less rattled, so if I’m wrong on one of you, it’s probably Flea.

I have no god damn clue what is implicating me with shelly and nothing you have said has helped me understand why.

I was a tad bit nervous shelly might have been town, in which case I played a big part in losing us the game, but other than that I'm gonna give you a big fat 'no' on that one. Maybe if my life were more important to my win I'd be outraged.. after all, the reasoning that Frederick hurting Adorable implicates me boggles my mind a little.

What do you mean wrt the Fred scrolls? How did he not intend to give it to Adorable? He placed a HURT tag on her and AFTER that she switched her scroll target from Noraa to you and then Fred switched it from Adorable to LLD. So, tell me then, what is your theory on why Fred switched his scroll target from Adorable to LLD?

Again.

Why. The. Fuck. Does. Fred. Give. The. Scroll. To. Adorable?

That is GAME LOSING. Notice how shelly here seems to have resigned to giving it to Mush. Our townbloc is massive. Adorable is not in that bloc. It also was fairly obvious that in a Fred/Fidget scumteam, Adorable has at least a 50% chance of giving it to me. Why would Fred EVER intend to give the scroll to Adorable?

You are buying that he was actually going to give it to her. WHY?

It is so clear to me that he was still putting on the act that he is a townie at that point. What would you do as scum? Vote someone and leave immediately? Maybe. He chose not to do that, though. He took my case on Adorable and was all like "I have received a case on Adorable blablabla so I'm voting there", then he ghosted a while, then he naked swapped to LLD, revealing his plan was to go after a townbloc player the whole time. If I had to guess, I would say that he wanted his mates' opinions on who the towniest players were that would be best to scroll, so he kept up the townie act just for a little while so he could talk to them without being super obvious about it.

There is absolutely no reason he would actually give it to Adorable. I don't understand. If I am scum with Fred because he wanted to protect me from Adorbs, why did he fucking give it to her in the first place? Why would he continue to target a "scummy" player rather than a "towny" one? Probably because he still wanted to do the townie dance for a little while longer.

Am I losing my fucking mind or am I correct is there no incentive for scum to actually shoot outside our massive townbloc, in which case he was never really going to scroll Adorbs, in which case I am completely irrelevant?

It is at this point I actually read your post and will now respond to the point you're making. I understand the idea of

Fred: "Imma kill Adorable"

Adorable: "Yeah soooo I prefer Fidget over Noraa now is that cool"

Fred: "Nope nope nope swiiiiitch"

But I see no merit in it because he was never actually going to scroll Adorable. And if that is true, it does not really matter who Adorable is targeting or what her reads were. Unless there is an actual reason to believe Fred was seriously going to give it her, then who cares? I get that this is probably obvious to me, who knows my alignment and therefore the theory just doesn't make sense at all, so I'm probably being unfair.

Maybe there is a world where scum!Fred for some reason wants to keep pretending to be town, even if it means risking me getting shot (Adorable did not just suspect Noraa, mind you..). But if that world exists, then that also means Fred was willing to risk me being shot at first, but when the risk increased, he pussied out for some reason and swapped it off Adorbs. It (obviously to me) makes way less sense than he simply was never going to scroll there. It tricked me into thinking he was town up until he swapped. And then he swapped to someone who actually made sense for scum to kill, aka the towniest player who probably wasn't going to kill shelly which is a trait that was common to just about every other towny player.

[Fidget]

Sorry for that one ^

HURT: MUSHAGANA

In other news, haha I knew it

[MUSHSHAGANA]

I'm headed to sleep. I sure hope scum makes this mistake, because lord knows they're going 1-for-2 this dayphase, easily.

Titus, I want your immediate no-brains-involved gut reactions on the following slots:
Flea
Pooky
Adorable
Fidget

Gloria, MURDERCAT, Noraa, I want your reactions on them too -- BUT, only after Titus has posted.

Bell, I want specifically your thoughts on Adorable, Tayl0r, DGF. Give it as much or as little thought as you have to offer at the time: I trust your brain to reach good conclusions, I trust the others' guts to reach good conclusions.

I'm going to do what I do regardless, and I don't give a fuck what anyone I didn't ask has to say on the matter of those slots.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

dope

[Fidget]

Sorry for that one ^

I want to clarify this isn't sarcasm, I should not write nearly that harsh, no matter how much I disagree with a read.

Hey, who's got the dirt on shelly associatives?

If I were to take a guess, any slot that she jumps down the throat of upon them receiving moderate suspicion. Or maybe scratch that, she probably met her bussing quota already with Fred.

..probably going to need to think a bit deeper....

noraa is a puzzle of a slot

gamestate wise this looks good with those fred interactions
posting is bad

HURT: Noraa

Hahahahaha I can appreciate this.

[Fidget]

HURT: Fidget

Ohh shit I wish I was here for this.

Actually it's not that I disagree. It's just that to me it's a case of reaching too far. There are scenarios where I feel solid about what might have happened or what someone intended, but that just wasn't one of them.
I already mentioned that I'm cautious to an extent. That's why I do all these resets.
My reads just point to exactly Titus, Shellyc, Fred, Taylor, Flea, Fidget. containing scum.

But my comfort level with the people outside of that list that aren't in the town block aren't at the town block level because they never sufficiently proved themselves to be town.
For example if Shelly flips Red I will immediately town block Unowen.

This is awfully sheepy. The question is sheepy town or scum. You tend to be quite sheepy.

You're 50/50 split on Bell's alignment?

I still find it unlikely that adorable was ever a real option over one of the obv towns.

THANK YOU

AT LEAST I'M NOT TOTALLY ALONE

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I bet I could get a third scum right (which would be my third bus now, wouldn't it..?) in a pool of Titus/DGB/Flea..

Where does scum exist outside there, I wonder? I remove Pooky/Taylor/Bell/Murdercat/Mushy/Noraa with the highest confidence.

Tin-foiling outside of there.. maybe Gloria is a great scum player who high efforts easily, I wouldn't know because I do not know her identity.
UNOwen could technically be a big distancing play since scum is getting fucked so hard by associations from townies hard-murdering them (think Bell getting absolved of suspicion for example).
Adorable I ended up switching on to town honestly mostly because she called me a terrible player and funnily enough because she keeps saying "Do you seriously think I would do X and X as scum!?" I hate the argument but I do lean a bit that she believes in it.

Thinking about UNOwen or some other player that has good associatives that I might be missing makes me feel way more sympathetic to the argument that maybe

I'm

that odd scum player out who targets scum on purpose to mess with associations. If that were the main case being presented against me I'd probably be less annoyed cause it would still feel kinda good, you know?

I don't really like any of those tinfoils all that much (Especially UNOwen, I quite like him by now), so I feel nearly certain DGB/Titus/Flea has 1-2 scum. If I were to be more bold, I'd go ahead and say DGB/Titus + Flea + another is the solve. But I'm not as sold on Flea as I am on 1 in {Titus/DGB} quite yet, so I'll make that tomorrow's homework.

[shellyc]

In other news, haha I knew it

Nah MUSH is scum
1. their posting is very shadey
2. long posts = scum

[shellyc]

fidget stop scumslipping

[shellyc]

DGB/Noraa/Titus is my semi-serious solve

[Flea The Magician]

DGB/Noraa/Titus is my semi-serious solve

Whats your serious solve?

[shellyc]

Whats your serious solve?

murder/mush/bell/noraa

[shellyc]

murder/mush/bell/noraa

murder: murderer = scum, there's no way someone that kills cant be scum!
mush: wallposter = scum, works a charm
bell: funeral bells = scum, bells also indicate danger, scum are dangerous
noraa: the one and only scum-rolling expert

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

1/4

[Flea The Magician]

murder/mush/bell/noraa

murder: murderer = scum, there's no way someone that kills cant be scum!
mush: wallposter = scum, works a charm
bell: funeral bells = scum, bells also indicate danger, scum are dangerous
noraa: the one and only scum-rolling expert

My Leenes' Bell reference was funnier. 1/10.

[shellyc]

My Leenes' Bell reference was funnier. 1/10.

I'll try harder later

[shellyc]

shitposting continues

one of the core tenets of my play is "spam so much nobody can keep up"

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

you are not even top 4 anymore tho

[Flea The Magician]

oof over 100 posts behind.
Give up Shelly, you ain't reclaiming that title.

Eugh I just realised this means I need to take unowen back to null at least

[UNOwen]

When your town read by MUSH but she doesn't care about your opinions.

I'm content with scroll holder calling the shots, so long as no-one shows their hand until the pass is confirmed.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

Dictator Mush best Mush

[Titus]

I think she applied to be my defense lawyer at some point

That's my job.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

im doomed