Open 798 | PYPX/Y+I/M | Game Over!

[Menalque]

Reminder that G-2 is now the equivalent of G-1 because Not_Mafia will lolhammer anyone at G-1

[Infinity 324]

VOTE: dunn

[the worst]

vote count 3.01

Dunnstral (3)

: petapan, Menalque, Infinity 324

Not voting

: davesaz, Something_Smart, Best Bird, Hoopla, lilith2013, skitter30, Dunnstral, JacksonVirgo

Deadline: (expired on 2020-11-19 09:30:00)

With 11 alive, it takes 6 to eliminate.

mod notes

:
- skitter30 v/la fridays & saturdays
- quack

[petapan]

the dunnstral hammer was obvious scum shit. when he flips red you can write off hoopla and infinity as town. menalque also likely town with only a slight paranoid reservation on my part.

[Menalque]

vote count 2.07

Menalque (5)

: lilith2013, Infinity 324, JacksonVirgo, Dunnstral, TheGoldenParadox

TheGoldenParadox (4)

: Uncrowned, Best Bird, skitter30, Menalque

JacksonVirgo (1)

: petapan

Not voting

: davesaz, Something_Smart, Hoopla

Deadline: (expired on 2020-11-13 13:00:00)

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to eliminate.

mod notes

:
- skitter30 v/la fridays & saturdays
- quack

vote count 2.08

Menalque (4)

: lilith2013, JacksonVirgo, Dunnstral, TheGoldenParadox

TheGoldenParadox (4)

: Uncrowned, Best Bird, skitter30, Menalque

JacksonVirgo (1)

: petapan

Not voting

: davesaz, Something_Smart, Hoopla, Infinity 324

Deadline: (expired on 2020-11-13 13:00:00)

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to eliminate.

mod notes

:
- skitter30 v/la fridays & saturdays
- quack

This is an interesting point for the VCs

[Menalque]

the dunnstral hammer was obvious scum shit

Why was it?

[Menalque]

lilith also looks really bad if you look back at D1 and see the way the wagon went up on uncrowned, then moved to her, and then there were two CWs to her one after the other (first JV, then DGB)

Atm i think I’d rather do dunn due to uncrowned and TGP’s strong feelings of scum there tho

[Menalque]

lilith, you should claim your JK

[petapan]

stop letting skitter and mena run the show and elim him already, it's obvious that we need to do so

I don't know, I feel like he's reasonably towny in his interactions with skitter (reasonably because I haven't played with scum!mena but I imagine he's a pretty competent player who knows what he's supposed to sound like as town) and I think it's less unlikely that I didn't actually block the kill than I originally thought

Don't get gaslit

TGP vote doesn't really make sense

davesaz is sidelining all of this hard

What information are we keeping from scum if they dont claim it

More importantly, why are we hammering town instead of the guy who tried to make the kill?

Dunn, what did you think of 2189? Who's scum other than mena?

I'm not reading walls of text or really considering other possibilities until Mena is elim'd

spends a bunch of time complaining we need to vote menalque because you're scum, virtue signalling against the tgp wagon, then hammers them with shit reasoning when the wagon against him is starting to build. this is not to mention it was a wagon where his supposed primary scumread was voting

[Infinity 324]

The role choices of the people who have flipped are really making me question my setup spec. Specifically whether scum would've chosen 1-shot vig. I think it's 100% correct to do so but maybe other people disagreed.

[Menalque]

Okay, that’s a reasonable take to have on it

I don’t think the hammer was actually that scummy in itself, I think self-preservation is p NAI especially when you have a PR and TGP was more or less the decided guillo by that point

[Menalque]

The role choices of the people who have flipped are really making me question my setup spec. Specifically whether scum would've chosen 1-shot vig. I think it's 100% correct to do so but maybe other people disagreed.

Huh? I’m confused by what relevance this has to... anything?

[Infinity 324]

It means dunn and lilith are more likely to be scum.

[Menalque]

...how?

[petapan]

The role choices of the people who have flipped are really making me question my setup spec. Specifically whether scum would've chosen 1-shot vig. I think it's 100% correct to do so but maybe other people disagreed.

possible scum went with a strategy of denying town strong roles rather than taking the strongest ones themselves

[Menalque]

I think informed is overall suboptimal compared to multitasking but might make more sense for a scumteam with good draft positions, in line with that

You take cop to deny it to town, but you also need to know another role you can claim instead of cop to avoid having to give hard innos throughout the game and limit your options — which would actually like up v well with JK if no-one took it

Lil, explain why you took JK when you get here?

[petapan]

Okay, that’s a reasonable take to have on it

I don’t think the hammer was actually that scummy in itself, I think self-preservation is p NAI especially when you have a PR and TGP was more or less the decided guillo by that point

wasn't close to deadline and absolutely does not excuse voting with a scumread on someone he was vaguely defending when his only reasoning was "don't vote park me"

[Menalque]

Also

ducky, can you lmk what role pine tried to get pls?

[petapan]

I think informed is overall suboptimal compared to multitasking but might make more sense for a scumteam with good draft positions, in line with that

informed/multitasking was picked before draft positions were revealed

[Menalque]

Okay, that’s a reasonable take to have on it

I don’t think the hammer was actually that scummy in itself, I think self-preservation is p NAI especially when you have a PR and TGP was more or less the decided guillo by that point

wasn't close to deadline and absolutely does not excuse voting with a scumread on someone he was vaguely defending when his only reasoning was "don't vote park me"

Ehh still

If I know I’m town, and I have a PR, and pressure is starting to build on me and there’s clearly a majority who are at least okay with flipping my CW I’d hammer regardless of a scumread being on the wagon, I might just be wrong after all

Like I think dunn is quite likely to be scum but I don’t think the hammer is an open and shut case

[Infinity 324]

...how?

If scum want to go for 1-shot vig, the only reason not to take it is because they thought town would get it first. If lilith/dunn are scum then they can just snag 1-shot vig if they want it. I was thinking there wasn't scum in the top few slots for this reason. However, if my assumption is wrong and scum didn't go for 1-shot vig, lilith/dunn can be scum.

[Menalque]

In fact if quickhammers weren’t explicitly a part of Dunn’s scum meta, I’d even give him towncred for doing something that looks so obviously awful

However, he knows this and exploits it as scum, so I’m not

[Menalque]

I think informed is overall suboptimal compared to multitasking but might make more sense for a scumteam with good draft positions, in line with that

informed/multitasking was picked before draft positions were revealed

Oh

Well, uh

Scratch that thought then

...how?

If scum want to go for 1-shot vig, the only reason not to take it is because they thought town would get it first. If lilith/dunn are scum then they can just snag 1-shot vig if they want it. I was thinking there wasn't scum in the top few slots for this reason. However, if my assumption is wrong and scum didn't go for 1-shot vig, lilith/dunn can be scum.

Hmm

[petapan]

Okay, that’s a reasonable take to have on it

I don’t think the hammer was actually that scummy in itself, I think self-preservation is p NAI especially when you have a PR and TGP was more or less the decided guillo by that point

wasn't close to deadline and absolutely does not excuse voting with a scumread on someone he was vaguely defending when his only reasoning was "don't vote park me"

Ehh still

If I know I’m town, and I have a PR, and pressure is starting to build on me and there’s clearly a majority who are at least okay with flipping my CW I’d hammer regardless of a scumread being on the wagon, I might just be wrong after all

Like I think dunn is quite likely to be scum but I don’t think the hammer is an open and shut case

i agree the action in and of itself is not inherently bad but it's the way he did it and the context around it that i despise. didn't even notice that you'd asked for a hammer 2 posts before. i don't think any amount of self-pres excuses a hammer at the request of your main scumread

[the worst]

quack