Smoke-Filled Antechamber [Endgame]

[Lady Lambdadelta]

The fact that you are still justifying it speaks to your lack competence and integrity and means you can’t be trusted.

You don’t realize and accept you were wrong which means you’ll do it again.

Like in alisae v. pine.

Or in other games.

This is no longer Oopsie I made a mistake this is "oopsie I did this thing on purpose and use this to avoid consequences for my actions".

Like, it's become a pattern of behaviour and it's not okay and I believe e knows they are doing it and kind of doesn't care.

Alisae, I once got told that yuo were a kid who didn't know any better and I needed to just move on and let it be. You're not a kid anymore and you're still doing this. You know better now and it just feels like you don't care who you hurt and what bridges you burn.

It's not even random anger management issues. It genuinely feels malicious and hurtful to others at this point.

[Alisae]

if you dont realize what you did wrong this game then idek what to say

like, day 4 in particular when we eliminated cakez out of a dirth of other options. that didnt have to happen at all. if you had retracted your claim that day, the game might have ended then!

Okay but what if it was literally just cakez.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I would be lieing and pretending to believe that my play was wrong even though I believe it was fine.

I think from a gameplay perspective in this game is fine.

How am I supposed to realize I was wrong and accept that when I don't understand why I would be wrong in the first place.

Like if you think this is the issue and if you really have 0 remorse given how others feel about this game I don't know what to tell you.

We can't make you see the light if you don't want to, just remind others that this is a pattern of behaviour and people will make the choices they need to make to protect themselves.

[Nahdia]

i can appreciate that alisae. you gave it your all the whole dang way through and that's v cool. but eugh, we basically spent an entire day working off a false premise because you had a strong townread.

if you dont realize what you did wrong this game then idek what to say

like, day 4 in particular when we eliminated cakez out of a dirth of other options. that didnt have to happen at all. if you had retracted your claim that day, the game might have ended then!

Okay but what if it was literally just cakez.

i'd probably still be cross with you!

[Jake The Wolfie]

I poured my heart into the game just as much as everyone else did.

So not at all?

[Alisae]

I would be lieing and pretending to believe that my play was wrong even though I believe it was fine.

I think from a gameplay perspective in this game is fine.

How am I supposed to realize I was wrong and accept that when I don't understand why I would be wrong in the first place.

Like if you think this is the issue and if you really have 0 remorse given how others feel about this game I don't know what to tell you.

We can't make you see the light if you don't want to, just remind others that this is a pattern of behaviour and people will make the choices they need to make to protect themselves.

Is it basically it doesn't matter if its right or not from a game perspective, it matters from a social perspective?

[Nahdia]

i wouldnt go so far as to say alisae is being malicious. clearly e believes this is a valid way to play. i just massively disagree because it strips agency from the entire rest of the town and is just... super arrogant.

[Alisae]

i wouldnt go so far as to say alisae is being malicious. clearly e believes this is a valid way to play. i just massively disagree because it strips agency from the entire rest of the town and is just... super arrogant.

LLD and Tammy have reason to believe I'm malcious.
The burden on me is to prove that I'm better and quite frankly I'm not doing that.
I think I'm starting to get it though?
Like actually legit, I think I'm starting to understand that the problem is I care too much about winning that I hurt other people along the way.

[DrippingGoofball]

well done dgb thanks for the save

Yeah it was a nailbiter for sure. I called you 200% town because I was setting you up to be NK'd.

I wanted to make sure I would be alive to investigate, and for my target to be alive. You had to die.

[fferyllt]

thank you so much for the game, fakegod, it was so much fun relitigating Deaths Diner. I am super happy with our dethy play and was very sad to die so early even though I expected to.

[Alisae]

Like actually legit, I think I'm starting to understand that the problem is I care too much about winning that I hurt other people along the way.

If this is the case, I think I actually just need to quit or find a different site to play on until I deal with this. Its probably just the root of all of my problems and I feel like if I address it maybe I can be a better person.

[Alisae]

I have no idea where to start though

[DrippingGoofball]

I didn't give much thought about who to investigate between Alisae and Pooky - if one was town, the other was scum. But there could have been godfather shenanigans 5% chance.

[Alisae]

I didn't give much thought about who to investigate between Alisae and Pooky - if one was town, the other was scum. But there could have been godfather shenanigans 5% chance.

I feel like copping Pooky covers all of the options?

[DrippingGoofball]

Thanks for great modding, FakeGod. I couldn't believe i missed sign-ups!

[Alisae]

ig it doesn't matter that much

[Syryana]

Like actually legit, I think I'm starting to understand that the problem is I care too much about winning that I hurt other people along the way.

If this is the case, I think I actually just need to quit or find a different site to play on until I deal with this. Its probably just the root of all of my problems and I feel like if I address it maybe I can be a better person.

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... 4#p7430794

Go read it.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

for all the complaints about Alisae

Taylor threw way way way harder.

like there is a legit reason for Alisae to gambit the way they did - it can draw a nightkill and force scum to do things that they don't want to do if alisae read on me is correct.

You cannot even think of a reason for why Taylor played her hand that way D1.

Like what is taylor crumbing "traitor" for when literally every person in the dethy is going to be looking for a traitor and nobody on the scum team would even think to shoot her even if we didn't know she was a traitor.

[DrippingGoofball]

I didn't give much thought about who to investigate between Alisae and Pooky - if one was town, the other was scum. But there could have been godfather shenanigans 5% chance.

I feel like copping Pooky covers all of the options?

True. It was probably the better choice in hindsight but with two players he'd be POE'd...

[Alisae]

The setup is too hard for Taylor

[Alisae]

This isn't an easy setup by any means and Taylor didn't know how to play it.
Honestly, not their fault.

[Alisae]

Like actually legit, I think I'm starting to understand that the problem is I care too much about winning that I hurt other people along the way.

If this is the case, I think I actually just need to quit or find a different site to play on until I deal with this. Its probably just the root of all of my problems and I feel like if I address it maybe I can be a better person.

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... 4#p7430794

Go read it.

Its not normal for me to fakeclaim in my town gameplay to the extreme I did here.
I think whenever I did fakeclaim though it did do a lot more damage socially.

[DrippingGoofball]

Like actually legit, I think I'm starting to understand that the problem is I care too much about winning that I hurt other people along the way.

If this is the case, I think I actually just need to quit or find a different site to play on until I deal with this. Its probably just the root of all of my problems and I feel like if I address it maybe I can be a better person.

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... 4#p7430794

Go read it.

OMG a whole thread of "how to suck all the fun out of mafia."

[Alisae]

Like actually legit, I think I'm starting to understand that the problem is I care too much about winning that I hurt other people along the way.

If this is the case, I think I actually just need to quit or find a different site to play on until I deal with this. Its probably just the root of all of my problems and I feel like if I address it maybe I can be a better person.

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... 4#p7430794

Go read it.

OMG a whole thread of "how to suck all the fun out of mafia."

The whole game of mafia already had its fun sucked out of it when you get really good at it.

[Alisae]

This isn't a game that is meant to be played competatively.
Its for casuals who pick it up as a party game