Mini Normal 2170: Stuff I’m Listening To [Game Over]

[the worst]

ok bulgey let's hear why you're alive and the ic isn't i'm so keen for this

[The Bulge]

I targeted Kasumeat. I thought they would kill there again, assuming I'd be on outworld, to frame it as my kill (flipping kasu to legitimize my clear). plus if there was no kill it would prove that at least one of those was a protect and not a no-kill, because what mod would allow two no-kills in a row with a no-elim in between. this would have solidified me and kasu as town.

[The Bulge]

here's a flowchart I was using to help think.

I target OutWorldER, scum kills OutWorldER -> no kill, I trueclaim palatable results
I target OutWorldER, scum kills Kasumeat -> setup for framing me of killing Kasumeat to try and validate my claim
I target OutWorldER, scum kills somebody else -> smaller limpool, I trueclaim palatable results
I target Kasumeat, scum kills OutWorldER -> worst case scenario. game-losing. almost guarantees my miselimination.
I target Kasumeat, scum kills Kasumeat -> no kill, I trueclaim controversial results [or fakeclaim palatable results first at risk of tanking own legitimacy?]. possibility of best case outcome but puts me in a very tricky spot.
I target Kasumeat, scum kills somebody else -> smaller limpool, I trueclaim controversial results

[The Bulge]

so uh yea. I sincerely hope town can listen to reason and understand why I thought protecting outworld would be a waste. otherwise I kinda threw with that gambit because I really had faith in my best case scneraio and I took this risk

[The Bulge]

but I mean the simple question is.....why in the fuck would I kill outworld lmao

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

there's no way we have a protective.

there's a dead IC on the floor that says so.

[Umlaut]

VOTE: bulllllllllllggggggggggggggg.......................be strong duck

This is skirting the line of “if it looks like a vote, I will probably count it as a vote.” In this case I’m not counting it. Please avoid making any similar almost-votes in the future, since this qualifies as testing the limits of the rules.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

is it silly?

Why would scum target Kasu N3 and not the person who was claiming IC?

this is why I didn't believe your LJK claim at first, I'm still not sure I do.

It really is not indisputable fact. I can think of multiple reasons scum would no-kill, such as wanting to gambit a protective claim during MeLo to try and secure the win today, or not seeing good targets for a kill because said kills might implicate one of the team

I am, however, not seeing any reason to target Kasu.

VOTE: No Eliminate

I think this is probably the best option today.

If I die tonight then Bulge is most likely lying about his claim. The only possibility he's not is if there's a strongman, which, I hate to try and outguess the mod, but I doubt in this setup. He should absolutely target me.

Bulge dying clears Kasu meaning we have two conftown going into Day 5.

Anybody else dying we'll cross the bridge as we come to it, but I still think we have good info regardless.

[the worst]

i'm wondering if it's weird that i kinda believe you

pedit: pooky humour me - why would bulge actually shoot outworlder rather than consolidate their own claim there?

pedit2: sorry - i thought i was close enough to the "transparent shitpost" spectrum that it wouldn't count
UNVOTE: for posterity

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

yea i wonder why you would kill the IC-town who has the strongest influence slot and doesn't believe your BS protective claim

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

because outworld doesn't believe his claim and outworld as mod-confirmed IC is the highest influence slot in the game

[the worst]

is it silly?

Why would scum target Kasu N3 and not the person who was claiming IC?

this is why I didn't believe your LJK claim at first, I'm still not sure I do.

It really is not indisputable fact. I can think of multiple reasons scum would no-kill, such as wanting to gambit a protective claim during MeLo to try and secure the win today, or not seeing good targets for a kill because said kills might implicate one of the team

I am, however, not seeing any reason to target Kasu.

VOTE: No Eliminate

I think this is probably the best option today.

If I die tonight then Bulge is most likely lying about his claim. The only possibility he's not is if there's a strongman, which, I hate to try and outguess the mod, but I doubt in this setup. He should absolutely target me.

Bulge dying clears Kasu meaning we have two conftown going into Day 5.

Anybody else dying we'll cross the bridge as we come to it, but I still think we have good info regardless.

i like, appreciate that a loyal jailkeeper protecting the IC is like......objectively the linear correct play
i was like literally drooling over the idea of literally any flip coming into this phase and nearly fell off my chair
but i actually kind of believe bulge - i'm not actually sure what the scum motivation for shooting outworlder is

[The Bulge]

I'm pretty sure it's just shea/pooky/worsty and both neighbours are clear. pretty sure but not confident. I had a table made up to track which pairings seemed least likely between the 5 unconfirmed but I didn't get that far in my overnight iso reads. I did read thru all of our dead/confirmed town isos and tracked their voting history. give me a minute to add post tags to my draft so it's at least semi-legible, and I'm hoping to continue along the same track for the rest of you 5 as well as finish my anti-associatives table. hold up

[the worst]

i feel like i'm sinking in quciksand inside my brain

[the worst]

I'm pretty sure it's just shea/pooky/worsty and both neighbours are clear. pretty sure but not confident. I had a table made up to track which pairings seemed least likely between the 5 unconfirmed but I didn't get that far in my overnight iso reads. I did read thru all of our dead/confirmed town isos and tracked their voting history. give me a minute to add post tags to my draft so it's at least semi-legible, and I'm hoping to continue along the same track for the rest of you 5 as well as finish my anti-associatives table. hold up

i'm kinda prejudiced bc i know that solve is wrong

but, let's work through this.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

what is there to work thru

We had 1 confirmed town IC

that IC is now dead.

How much more obvious does it have to get that we do not have a freaking protective?

[The Bulge]

Spoiler: in case anyone else wants to try to make ends of this scratch

MURDERCAT

Panzerjager , PookyTheMagicalBear, The Bulge , Gamma Emerald, OutWorldER , Noraa , Not_Mafia [minimum 1 scum]

Noraa

Thestatusquo, UneducatedGuesser , Kasumeat , Panzerjager , OutWorldER , Blitzo

Panzerjager

OutWorldER , Gamma Emerald, Blitzo, Kasumeat , Not_Mafia [minimum 1 scum]

duppin

rvs The Bulge 15 tr Blitzo 162 tr OutWorldER 212 241 vote Gamma Emerald 241 tr The Bulge 552 fos Thestatusquo 554 562 vote Noraa 825

D1 top SRs: Noraa, Thestatusquo

UneducatedGuesser

rvs MURDERCAT 13 vote OutWorldER 165 tr MURDERCAT 310 vote Kasumeat 310 fos PookyTheMagicalBear 565 653 tr OutWorldER 1034 vote Gamma Emerald 1732 tr Thestatusquo 1744 fos Blitzo 2173 vote Noraa 2173

D1 top SRs: Kasumeat, PookyTheMagicalBear D2 top SRs: Gamma Emerald, Noraa

Kasumeat

rvs Gamma Emerald 17 rvs Blitzo 32 sr Blitzo 103 fos PookyTheMagicalBear 174 178 vote Thestatusquo 182 sr Gamma Emerald 487 tr Noraa 532 vote Gamma Emerald 605 fos Panzerjager 631 vote PookyTheMagicalBear 809 fos Thestatusquo 1043 vote Gamma Emerald 1689 sr Noraa 2149 vote Noraa 2178 vote Gamma Emerald 2296 tr OutWorldER 2335 sr Gamma Emerald 2339 sr PookyTheMagicalBear 2339 vote Gamma Emerald 2373 vote Panzerjager 2735

D1 top SRs: PookyTheMagicalBear, Thestatusquo D2 top SRs: Gamma Emerald, Noraa D3 top SRs: Gamma Emerald, Panzerjager D4 top SRs: ???

OutWorldER

rvs UneducatedGuesser 8 rvs Thestatusquo 12 vote Blitzo 64 fos Gamma Emerald 101 201 tr MURDERCAT 201 vote Gamma Emerald 207 fos Noraa 211 tr Thestatusquo 571 vote PookyTheMagicalBear 727 sr MURDERCAT 1265 vote MURDERCAT 1517 vote Noraa 1657 fos Gamma Emerald 2027 2061 vote Noraa 2290 vote PookyTheMagicalBear 2345 vote Panzerjager 2416 tr The Bulge 2494 fos Not_Mafia 2556 tr Gamma Emerald 2558 tr The Bulge 2753 vote The Bulge 2793 vote No Elim

D1 top SRs: Gamma Emerald, Noraa D2 top SRs: Noraa, Gamma Emerald D3 top SRs: Panzerjager, Not_Mafia D4 top SRs: ???

The Bulge

rvs MURDERCAT 28 fos OutWorldER 133 fos Kasumeat 318 vote Kasumeat 326 tr Blitzo 481 sr MURDERCAT 1229 fos Gamma Emerald 1230 1259 vote MURDERCAT 1260 tr Noraa 1261 sr Blitzo 1634 vote OutWorldER 1676 fos Thestatusquo 1718 vote Noraa 1796 fos Gamma Emerald 1956 vote Blitzo 2263 vote OutWorldER 2312 sr Thestatusquo 2313 fos Gamma Emerald 2409 fos Panzerjager 2409 tr Kasumeat 2593 sr Gamma Emerald 2606 2656 2657 tr Not_Mafia 2657 tr PookyTheMagicalBear 2657 vote Thestatusquo 2672 vote Thestatusquo 2806 tr Not_Mafia 2807 fos PookyTheMagicalBear 2822 2828 sr PookyTheMagicalBear 2835 tr Gamma Emerald 2945

D1 top SRs: MURDERCAT, Gamma Emerald D2 top SRs: OutWorldER, Blitzo D3 top SRs: OutWorldER, Thestatusquo D4 top SRs: PookyTheMagicalBear, Thestatusquo

	Thestatusquo	Gamma Emerald	Blitzo	Not_Mafia	PookyTheMagicalBear
Thestatusquo	X		36 first mention alt
Gamma Emerald		X
Blitzo			X
Not_Mafia				X
PookyTheMagicalBear					X

[The Bulge]

with a bonus table template along for the ride weee

[The Bulge]

what is there to work thru

We had 1 confirmed town IC

that IC is now dead.

How much more obvious does it have to get that we do not have a freaking protective?

you continue to ignore my alternatives every time you play the "has everyone in this game lost their freaking minds?!?!?" card.

[the worst]

i appreciate the effort and the formatting is fucking lovely but am a lot more interested in your thoughts/conclusions than in data

[The Bulge]

I won't be back on until later tonight. please for the love of god keep your votes to yourselves.

[The Bulge]

i appreciate the effort and the formatting is fucking lovely but am a lot more interested in your thoughts/conclusions than in data

yea the night deadline hit before I could get as much work done as I wanted. today turned out to be unexpectedly busy around the house. believe me in my head this was gonna be the wall of all walls lmao because I know my ass [and thus, the entire game] is very much on the line today.

[the worst]

i'm kind of, wavering

ugh
like
your action is either sincere, or a very well planned out fakeclaim. and i don't think i have the psychic powers to divine the difference between those two at surface level.

i'll look forward to what you can do when you're free.

[the worst]

i'm not sure how i feel about pooky's insistence that you're absolutely fakeclaiming scum but i feel like if i had actual deep reads in this game i would probably feel similar

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

you continue to ignore my alternatives every time you play the "has everyone in this game lost their freaking minds?!?!?" card.

I don't see a single valid reason for a town protective to not protect the IC in the game.

yesterday you argued it was because you suspected OutworldER was scum

you don't have that argument today.