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[Menalque]

I’m very okay wagoning lili until we get some solid content from her and some explanations

It’s v fishy that scum didn’t kill her last night imo

[skitter30]

also mena, at this point i think a more important question is why isn't lilith dead

[skitter30]

yeah exactly

[the worst]

vote count 3.03

Dunnstral (2)

: petapan, Infinity 324

lilith2013 (2)

: skitter30, Menalque

Not voting

: davesaz, Something_Smart, Best Bird, Hoopla, lilith2013, Dunnstral, JacksonVirgo

Deadline: (expired on 2020-11-19 09:30:00)

With 11 alive, it takes 6 to eliminate.

mod notes

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- skitter30 v/la fridays & saturdays
- quack

[Menalque]

also mena, at this point i think a more important question is why isn't lilith dead

Yah I have some thoughts on this but I’d like to wait for her to arrive

[Menalque]

I’m going to sleep soon I hope so I want to re-iterate this again

do not put anyone to G-1 as Not_Mafia will lolhammer them instantly and there is still a lot to talk about today

[Dunnstral]

VOTE: Menalque

[Menalque]

Any thoughts other than me being scum, dunn?

[Dunnstral]

Yeah lilith is town and also I was neighborized by somebody last night so can confirm that role is in the game

[Dunnstral]

Also if I were scum this high in the draft town wouldn't have both killing power roles

[skitter30]

Yeah lilith is town and also I was neighborized by somebody last night so can confirm that role is in the game

y is lilith town?

[skitter30]

i feel like dunn and lilith being scum together is not *super* likely
not super confident dunn is scum, despite the hammer

[Hoopla]

It boggles the mind to choose venge over N3 vig but okay

gotta agree with this.

The role choices of the people who have flipped are really making me question my setup spec. Specifically whether scum would've chosen 1-shot vig. I think it's 100% correct to do so but maybe other people disagreed.

there have been a couple of questionable town picks, which i think will always happen. individual players are prone to some goofy logic from time to time, but when you have a scumteam of three, a suboptimal pick is less likely to slip through the cracks. all it takes is one reasonable mechanical thinker to be on the scumteam for any clearly bad picks to be vetoed.

i still like the logic for lilith town (scum should almost always take 1-shot vig first because having that level of control over nightplay is huge). but it is fishy that she is still alive.

my only take away from this is that it implies scum *knows* there is a doc who made a correct save N1. if this is the case, fear of town-lilith being doc'd would be a reasonable explanation why she's still alive. perhaps they also think she's a viable mis-elim from a "why-are-you-still-alive" perspective.

[Hoopla]

if lilith is scum and the scumteam *actually* picked JK first, i think it makes SS, infinity and maybe skitter less likely to be scum. i'd say menalque too, but he wasn't a starting player. davesaz seems mechanically minded, but he's already expressed numerous times he'd double up numbers for WIFOM purposes. he may be the type of character to support choosing something other than vig as first pick.

that does rule out a lot of combinations of lilith-scumteams, though. if she's scum, i think she's paired with the more whimsical/low energy types.

[Hoopla]

although, if lilith is scum, why out your role on D2 when you know the reason for the no-kill was not your JK action (and likely a doc save)? perhaps i'm being daft, but that seems an absurd gambit that doesn't benefit scum.

i just don't see how claiming your role unprompted is a scum-play, especially when there's a potential hidden N3 vig, and being outed means you can't use your JK in an overtly suspicious manner, AND people will start questioning why you haven't died anyway. doesn't seem like a scum-move conducive to longterm survival.

[Hoopla]

this is hurting my brain.

going to stick with what i know (and what we should have done yesterday):

VOTE: dunnstral

[Dunnstral]

Yeah lilith is town and also I was neighborized by somebody last night so can confirm that role is in the game

y is lilith town?

Towny role choice

Claimed after no kill <- very likely town

[Dunnstral]

Hoopla is onto something

Lilith is alive because scum doesn't have control of the doctor

[skitter30]

, i think it makes SS, infinity and maybe skitter less likely to be scum.

Why infinity

[lilith2013]

I jailkept infinity.

I think informed is overall suboptimal compared to multitasking but might make more sense for a scumteam with good draft positions, in line with that

You take cop to deny it to town, but you also need to know another role you can claim instead of cop to avoid having to give hard innos throughout the game and limit your options — which would actually like up v well with JK if no-one took it

I'm pretty sure I can prove that I actually have JK, but don't really want to say anything else on this until/unless we have a massclaim.

Lil, explain why you took JK when you get here?

.. because I was guaranteed to get the slot I wanted and I thought I had a reasonable shot at doing things with JK?

[lilith2013]

why would scum kill me given the way the wind is blowing? leave whichever of skitter/mena is town alive and they go after me anyway, there's no need to waste a night kill on me.

[petapan]

why infinity, exactly? do you still think menalque is likely to be scum

[Menalque]

because I was guaranteed to get the slot I wanted and I thought I had a reasonable shot at doing things with JK?

My point is more like, why not take doc or cop?

[lilith2013]

I am legitimately really, really sorry that I haven't been around. The reason I got super sick/thought I had COVID in the first place is that I've been working crazy hours for the past couple months and burnt myself out. I keep being told that it's about to end so I thought I'd have more time to actually pay attention to this game, and then it doesn't work out that way and I'm still working crazy hours.

[Menalque]

I’d like to hear from Dave, Best Bird, S_S and maybe a bit more from dunn before we proceed