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[Menalque]

Who do you think is scum at this point lil?

[lilith2013]

because I was guaranteed to get the slot I wanted and I thought I had a reasonable shot at doing things with JK?

My point is more like, why not take doc or cop?

it was between doc/rb and tracker/JK slots and I ended up going with JK so I could potentially both block and save. I have some traumatic memories of being eliminated as town cop so I didn't really consider taking it.

pedit: infinity, hoopla?, jv????

[petapan]

that is a puzzling assortment of names

[Menalque]

Okay, can you talk to me about why you think those people are scum?

Do you also think there is likely scum in (me, skitter)?

[skitter30]

I am legitimately really, really sorry that I haven't been around. The reason I got super sick/thought I had COVID in the first place is that I've been working crazy hours for the past couple months and burnt myself out. I keep being told that it's about to end so I thought I'd have more time to actually pay attention to this game, and then it doesn't work out that way and I'm still working crazy hours.

Oh no i hope you're doing ok

[skitter30]

why would scum kill me given the way the wind is blowing? leave whichever of skitter/mena is town alive and they go after me anyway, there's no need to waste a night kill on me.

I guess that 's like ~possible~ but the simplest explanation for everything in my mind ia that you're just scum

And imo infinity is a ~weird~ jk option at best
Did u think he would do the nk?

[Menalque]

Spoiler:

vote count 1.06

lilith2013 (5)

: davesaz, PenguinPower, skitter30, Uncrowned, Hoopla

Uncrowned (2)

: JacksonVirgo, DrippingGoofball

JacksonVirgo (1)

: lilith2013

Infinity 324 (1)

: petapan

Not voting

: Something_Smart, Dunnstral, Pine, TheGoldenParadox, Infinity 324

Deadline: (expired on 2020-11-02 21:15:00)

mod notes

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- skitter30 v/la Fridays & Saturdays
- quack

vote count 1.21

lilith2013 (5)

: PenguinPower, skitter30, Uncrowned, petapan, DrippingGoofball

petapan (2)

: Hoopla, JacksonVirgo

skitter30 (1)

: Dunnstral

JacksonVirgo (1)

: lilith2013

Hoopla (1)

: TheGoldenParadox

TheGoldenParadox (1)

: davesaz

davesaz (1)

: Infinity 324

Not voting

: Something_Smart, Pine

Deadline: (expired on 2020-11-02 21:15:00)

mod notes

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- skitter30 v/la Fridays & Saturdays
- quack

vote count 1.22

lilith2013 (6)

: PenguinPower, Uncrowned, petapan, DrippingGoofball, Infinity 324, davesaz

petapan (2)

: Hoopla, JacksonVirgo

skitter30 (1)

: Dunnstral

JacksonVirgo (1)

: lilith2013

Hoopla (1)

: TheGoldenParadox

Not voting

: Something_Smart, Pine, skitter30

Deadline: (expired on 2020-11-02 21:15:00)

With 14 alive it takes 8 to eliminate.

mod notes

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- "with X alive" text included just because I love you all.
- skitter30 v/la Fridays & Saturdays.
- quack

[Best Bird]

My bird brain hurts.

[skitter30]

I'm not super townreading the bird anymore ^

[Best Bird]

ditto friendo...uncrowned over you?

[Best Bird]

'course - the same could be said for mena

[Menalque]

S_S has actually got quite a lot of scum equity

Lili, what’s your read on S_S?

[skitter30]

I mean i imagine that lilith's claim and alignment has a fair amount to do with that, and is not something i can control


However you've been starting to fall into patterns i associate with scum!you

[Menalque]

'course - the same could be said for mena

In fairness, there was a G-1 wagon on me yesterday, so scum probably aren’t wrong in thinking this is a game where I’m misguillotineable

[petapan]

kill indicates scum r not concerned with pr hunting so just start chopping from the top down imo

[skitter30]

We're kinda at the point where the nk's and claimed night actions are bizarre, and i think it bears digging into


Like the nk's coupled with lilith's choices for her actions are not super easily explained if she's town, but if she's scum and has to coordinate those, things start making a bit more sense

[skitter30]

kill indicates scum r not concerned with pr hunting so just start chopping from the top down imo

Right, and that would point to them having reasonably strong prs, right?

[Best Bird]

Like the nk's coupled with lilith's choices for her actions are not super easily explained if she's town, but if she's scum and has to coordinate those, things start making a bit more sense

how so? hoopa had an explanation that makes sense to me.

[petapan]

We're kinda at the point where the nk's and claimed night actions are bizarre, and i think it bears digging into


Like the nk's coupled with lilith's choices for her actions are not super easily explained if she's town, but if she's scum and has to coordinate those, things start making a bit more sense

suspicion of infinity is at least consistent w/ her past expressed opinions, so, meh. not saying that makes her town though

[skitter30]

how so? hoopa had an explanation that makes sense to me.

Which explanation?

Also, isnt correct jk usage while there's more than one scum alive to try to protect, and use it as a rb once we're down to one scum?

[Menalque]

I have a question: if lili is scum, and JK, why does she claim it yesterday and specifically why does she claim it on me?

[Something_Smart]

However you've been starting to fall into patterns i associate with scum!you

Is this more nuanced than "being useless"?

[Menalque]

S_S I’m kinda coming round to you being scum dude

[Something_Smart]

Why's that?

[Best Bird]

how so? hoopa had an explanation that makes sense to me.

Which explanation?

Also, isnt correct jk usage while there's more than one scum alive to try to protect, and use it as a rb once we're down to one scum?

It boggles the mind to choose venge over N3 vig but okay

gotta agree with this.

The role choices of the people who have flipped are really making me question my setup spec. Specifically whether scum would've chosen 1-shot vig. I think it's 100% correct to do so but maybe other people disagreed.

there have been a couple of questionable town picks, which i think will always happen. individual players are prone to some goofy logic from time to time, but when you have a scumteam of three, a suboptimal pick is less likely to slip through the cracks. all it takes is one reasonable mechanical thinker to be on the scumteam for any clearly bad picks to be vetoed.

i still like the logic for lilith town (scum should almost always take 1-shot vig first because having that level of control over nightplay is huge). but it is fishy that she is still alive.

my only take away from this is that it implies scum *knows* there is a doc who made a correct save N1. if this is the case, fear of town-lilith being doc'd would be a reasonable explanation why she's still alive. perhaps they also think she's a viable mis-elim from a "why-are-you-still-alive" perspective.

if lilith is scum and the scumteam *actually* picked JK first, i think it makes SS, infinity and maybe skitter less likely to be scum. i'd say menalque too, but he wasn't a starting player. davesaz seems mechanically minded, but he's already expressed numerous times he'd double up numbers for WIFOM purposes. he may be the type of character to support choosing something other than vig as first pick.

that does rule out a lot of combinations of lilith-scumteams, though. if she's scum, i think she's paired with the more whimsical/low energy types.

You're assuming optimal play ok the jk which i don't think is a good assumption.