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[DrippingGoofball]

If you want people to even change their minds about you, posting this sort of nonsense is not the way. It’s also blatant ATE.

You’re right, this really isn’t helping. I hope you understand why I’m frustrated this game, but I’m going to try to stay calm. May towncase taylor later today.

Infinity look I really do think you’re Scum. I’m not going to lie to you. But the best way to help, if in fact you’re Town, is by working to point us in the right direction. I have a sinking suspicion Flavor is coming at me to set me up next if Tayl0r flips Town. And unfortunately that’s going to suck up a lot of oxygen these next few days. I have been consistently questioning the slot (you can look at my ISO if you want). I would focus some attention on trying to make up your mind about me and Flavor.

I agree.

[Andresvmb]

If you want people to even change their minds about you, posting this sort of nonsense is not the way. It’s also blatant ATE.

You’re right, this really isn’t helping. I hope you understand why I’m frustrated this game, but I’m going to try to stay calm. May towncase taylor later today.

Infinity look I really do think you’re Scum. I’m not going to lie to you. But the best way to help, if in fact you’re Town, is by working to point us in the right direction. I have a sinking suspicion Flavor is coming at me to set me up next if Tayl0r flips Town. And unfortunately that’s going to suck up a lot of oxygen these next few days. I have been consistently questioning the slot (you can look at my ISO if you want). I would focus some attention on trying to make up your mind about me and Flavor.

We’ve gone over this Flavor. I think you need help.
Nah, you town read me.

[Andresvmb]

What hahaha my response embedded in the last quote. Hilarious.

[Flavor Leaf]

That’s not a terrible readslist. Talk to me about jackson, may come around on them.

They just don’t stand out unless they are posting, and they always seem to be on the side. I should look deeper into them, but I just think they make sense as the 3rd scum in a lot of different combinations.

I also felt a lot of Taylor/Jackson stuff, and they also appeared during the everyone turn on Flavor let’s flip flavor maybe conversation.

[Flavor Leaf]

Here’s the thing, anybody I push goes “No I’m town!”

Somewhere someone is lying about that

[Flavor Leaf]

What hahaha my response embedded in the last quote. Hilarious.

Even the site knows you see I’m hard town. You soft scum, so you know it you just don’t want the rest of the game to know you know, ya know?

[Andresvmb]

What hahaha my response embedded in the last quote. Hilarious.

Even the site knows you see I’m hard town. You soft scum, so you know it you just don’t want the rest of the game to know you know, ya know?

No.

[VP Baltar]

I'm now pages behind, but where is Taylor and why the fuck are we dawdling on this?

[Not_Mafia]

I'm now pages behind, but where is Taylor and why the fuck are we dawdling on this?

Silence scum

[VP Baltar]

I'm now pages behind, but where is Taylor and why the fuck are we dawdling on this?

Silence scum

Moooove over, I'm coming through

[Infinity 324]

Also why is A50 town flavor?

[Andresvmb]

Andres, I really think you’re both town.

I’m just telling you, it tends *not* to be the case that fights like these are TvT. There’s a specific reason behind it. Flavor wasn’t even trying to understand my POV, they never asked me if I was going to vote Tayl0r, or if I was waiting on anything specific. They just straight up made a lot of assumptions in order to attack me. This isn’t the typical way Town approaches a situation like this. And I’ve seen it in other games with capable Scum. So I would be careful about making the assumption.

[VP Baltar]

FL, you gonna vote Taylor or not? Because this kind of looks like a big show and I hate it. If Andres is scum saving taylor, then vote taylor

[Marky Mark]

I appreciate the discussion has moved on somewhat but I'm just going to post my thoughts/responses as I catch up and people can respond to them if they wish to or come back to them later

Seriously though; Marj is using the fact that I voted gera over Infinity/DkK on D1 as a reason to suspect me. Not only did HE also vote gera, but in order for his reasoning to have any merit there needs to have been a SCUM WAGON on the offer (so he can say I voted Town over Scum). Now if -hypothetically speaking- DkK/Infinity were both to flip overnight and they are both green, then I was being offered to vote a TOWNIE on D1 no matter where my vote went (of the 3 on offer).

It thus makes it a bad argument on Mark's part, unless he is Scum who KNOWS there to be scum between Infinity/DkK 9in which case his mind is projecting that my choice was bad because he already knows it was on the "wrong one" of the 3).

So I'm giving you townpoints here for your initial reaction to my 2384, which was articulated poorly by me and deserved the reaction it got. I agree that koba's claim seemed to come from a towny place and means that the secondary wagon may also well have been town. Infinity I am less sure of, but may be town too.

I articulated this in much greater detail than I have here in 2592, where I also added Taylor/JV (first choice DK) to the pool of potential scumspects based on this.

So yeah, first-choice voting geraint isnt as bad as it wouldve been if the other wagons were on super-scummy peeps, but voting a conftown over a townlean still seems like scummier behaviour on average

My point earlier still stands, just not as strongly as before now that dk seems likely to be town:

@VP - Clearly not everyone (or even the majority) who wanted geraint as a primary choice is scum, but there are likely IMO to be a subset of >= 1 people in there that were. It was a nullish, no info slot so I can understand people voting it but for that to go through as the primary option ahead of some arguably juicer and more tangible wagons on dk and infinity suggested to me that scum were likely involved in pushing it.

Put another way, being a primary geraint voter doesn't make people automatically scum, but it does give them in a general sense a higher liklihood of being scum, so it seems more fruitful to give more focus to looking for potential scum in this subset

[Andresvmb]

VOTE: Flavor Leaf

I don’t know if I’m going to vote Tayl0r. This whole argument just gave me a bad taste. I’m going to sit here for now.

[Tayl0r Swift]

Koba
A50
Marky Mark
Infinity
VPB
DGB
Taylor
Not Mafia
Andres
Jackson

Is probably where I’m actually at right now. I probably have a scum in my top half

i also think this is not a terrible readlist. i think ive flipped on koba (trying to de-escalate flavor and andres is +town unless one of them is scum). and i think im willing to give flavor a townpass for today just because pushing there isnt gonna work without a scum flip and associatives i think. and i kinda think flavor is prob town. A50 has dropped off the face of the earth more or less, so has lost locktown status. jackson is in the same boat. both are still townreads.

{mark, koba, infinity, andres, (me)}
{A50, JV, DGB, FL}
{NM}-null
{VPB}

clearly i've then townbinned one person too many even if NM is scum. but lets say this is mostly one big TvT shitfight. That allows space for A50 and JV to be scum.

[Tayl0r Swift]

I believe Andres is town.

i dont think this post comes from DGB scum unless shes scum with andres, because momentum seems to be shifting towards andres. i also think andres is town so this makes dgb likely town.

[VP Baltar]

Looks like I Beetlejuiced the scum at least

[Tayl0r Swift]

I'm now pages behind, but where is Taylor and why the fuck are we dawdling on this?

Silence scum

but i actually think i might be mindmelding with NM.

so could it be {VPB, JV, A50}?

[DkKoba]

VOTE: Flavor Leaf

I don’t know if I’m going to vote Tayl0r. This whole argument just gave me a bad taste. I’m going to sit here for now.

what the fuck are you doing??

[Tayl0r Swift]

Looks like I Beetlejuiced the scum at least

i mean a) i was posting like an hour ago
and b) im still catching up so... i havent seen whatever you supposedly beetelgeused me with

[VP Baltar]

VOTE: Flavor Leaf

I don’t know if I’m going to vote Tayl0r. This whole argument just gave me a bad taste. I’m going to sit here for now.

what the fuck are you doing??

Agree, this is a waste of time. Flip Taylor and then we will unlock the rest of that puzzle

[Andresvmb]

Koba
A50
Marky Mark
Infinity
VPB
DGB
Taylor
Not Mafia
Andres
Jackson

Is probably where I’m actually at right now. I probably have a scum in my top half

i also think this is not a terrible readlist. i think ive flipped on koba (trying to de-escalate flavor and andres is +town unless one of them is scum). and i think im willing to give flavor a townpass for today just because pushing there isnt gonna work without a scum flip and associatives i think. and i kinda think flavor is prob town. A50 has dropped off the face of the earth more or less, so has lost locktown status. jackson is in the same boat. both are still townreads.

{mark, koba, infinity, andres, (me)}
{A50, JV, DGB, FL}
{NM}-null
{VPB}

clearly i've then townbinned one person too many even if NM is scum. but lets say this is mostly one big TvT shitfight. That allows space for A50 and JV to be scum.

I’m just going to point out that you appear to have the same single SR as Infinity. I think that you both being Scum together isn’t likely. So one of you is potentially pocketing the other. Infinity already mentioned that this could be happening, but dismissed it.

[VP Baltar]

I’m just going to point out that you appear to have the same single SR as Infinity. I think that you both being Scum together isn’t likely. So one of you is potentially pocketing the other. Infinity already mentioned that this could be happening, but dismissed it.

I've said this alot. They aren't both town here.

[Andresvmb]

VOTE: Flavor Leaf

I don’t know if I’m going to vote Tayl0r. This whole argument just gave me a bad taste. I’m going to sit here for now.

what the fuck are you doing??

Agree, this is a waste of time. Flip Taylor and then we will unlock the rest of that puzzle

It’s not a waste of time. We actually have a lot of time left on this day, and if Tayl0r is Town we’re doomed. I’ll pursue whatever avenue of inquiry I think will yield Scum.