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[Marky Mark]

How does Mark seem to

know

there's scum between the two? And why did he vote gera himself if he thought one of the two was scum? And if it's a "new read" that he only developed on D2, then why is it not the same for me (or anyone else he put on that pool based on this bad reasoning)?? It's kinda hypocritical to claim "a group of people did this and I suspect them for it" when I myself have done the exact same thing at the exact same time frame.

Up to this point the line of questioning is fairly town++ from A50, but this is where it turns the corner into reaching

Ofc I don't know who scum is and I certainly didn't think that exactly one of the two of dk or geraint were scum, which is what you seem to be implying.

At the time, I thought dk was scum and geraint was null. I hammered geraint because it was preferable to a No Elim with <24h left but I certainly didn't find the slot actively scummy in the way that you seemed to, so my vote on him was coming from a different place for a different reason. It just really feels like you are misrepping here to present your vote and mine from the same place

-- predit : 10ish posts in the time it takes me to respond to one. This is not going to end well lol

[Tayl0r Swift]

I’m just going to point out that you appear to have the same single SR as Infinity. I think that you both being Scum together isn’t likely. So one of you is potentially pocketing the other. Infinity already mentioned that this could be happening, but dismissed it.

what are the odds that both of us are town? im also starting to think that JV is and must be scum.

[Andresvmb]

Again that whole conversation left me with a bad taste in my mouth. I might very much come back and vote Tayl0r. But I do want to make my views crystal clear. There’s value in that.

[Flavor Leaf]

Also why is A50 town flavor?

Soul read.

I have a tell on him also. I’m not opposed to the idea of being wrong there, but I’ll know by Day 3.

[DkKoba]

Again that whole conversation left me with a bad taste in my mouth. I might very much come back and vote Tayl0r. But I do want to make my views crystal clear. There’s value in that.

I dont blame you but i really think FL is just overtly paranoid and i can see where they're coming from with the accusations you were making against them like it does look like u are setting them up if taylor flips town.


seriously i want both of yall to reset and come back with a fresher slate.

[VP Baltar]

Again that whole conversation left me with a bad taste in my mouth. I might very much come back and vote Tayl0r. But I do want to make my views crystal clear. There’s value in that.

Sure. I actually think it is good you pushed on FL. It's a different dynamic. I just don't think the votes are there. Plus I think we should resolve a slot that was on the geraintm wagon.

[Flavor Leaf]

FL, you gonna vote Taylor or not? Because this kind of looks like a big show and I hate it. If Andres is scum saving taylor, then vote taylor

I have clearly stated I will vote Taylor, I’m not trying to hide it at all, so I don’t understand that at all.

My word is stronger than any vote i May place.

[Andresvmb]

I’m just going to point out that you appear to have the same single SR as Infinity. I think that you both being Scum together isn’t likely. So one of you is potentially pocketing the other. Infinity already mentioned that this could be happening, but dismissed it.

what are the odds that both of us are town? im also starting to think that JV is and must be scum.

I think that if you’re both Town, then VPB is always Scum. Or close to it. But I’m strongly TR’ing Koba now, and so I think we aren’t both getting VPB wrong I hope (a second time in a row would be embarrassing).

[DkKoba]

FL, you gonna vote Taylor or not? Because this kind of looks like a big show and I hate it. If Andres is scum saving taylor, then vote taylor

I have clearly stated I will vote Taylor, I’m not trying to hide it at all, so I don’t understand that at all.

My word is stronger than any vote i May place.

then vote there??? like i dont get ur posturing without actually walking the walk like both of u and andres are annoying me by withholding a vote. maybe its just especially so since ive pinned down taylor since d1 and no one listened to me until now so i really just dont want them to wriggle out.

[Flavor Leaf]

I’m gonna hammer them

[Flavor Leaf]

I thought it was incredibly clear that I was gonna hammer

[DkKoba]

or just vote them and let someone else hammer them? like i dont care abt ur ego just vote

[Andresvmb]

Again that whole conversation left me with a bad taste in my mouth. I might very much come back and vote Tayl0r. But I do want to make my views crystal clear. There’s value in that.

Sure. I actually think it is good you pushed on FL. It's a different dynamic. I just don't think the votes are there. Plus I think we should resolve a slot that was on the geraintm wagon.

Yeah I know the votes aren’t there. But I don’t want Flavor to come back at the end of the game after winning as Scum and saying that nobody even suspected them.

[DkKoba]

i dont understand what ur play is supposed to be here but hey

[Infinity 324]

Andres, I really think you’re both town.

I’m just telling you, it tends *not* to be the case that fights like these are TvT. There’s a specific reason behind it. Flavor wasn’t even trying to understand my POV, they never asked me if I was going to vote Tayl0r, or if I was waiting on anything specific. They just straight up made a lot of assumptions in order to attack me. This isn’t the typical way Town approaches a situation like this. And I’ve seen it in other games with capable Scum. So I would be careful about making the assumption.

I just don't see it. Capable scum have an agenda. They leave room for doubt in their reads so they can appear consistent when they switch. Their timing is a little off, though, because they push people when their agenda dictates and not when people do scummy things. What I'm seeing in your play that flavor isn't is that when you first came in, you didn't think there was support for my elim. Then I hard defended taylor and people started voting me instead. Flavor thinks you would push your preferred elim, but there's a lot of town motivation for compromising on your second choice. Since he's not seeing that, the play seems really scummy to him. There are scum explanations for this (he was waiting for you to come in and he'd call anything you do scummy), but it seems a lot less likely than he's town who feels like he found something and is pushing on that. Flavor's play this game in general seems really difficult to match up with an agenda, and the timing of his pushes matches up with where I'd expect town to push things. (Plus I really think he'd perform the kill n1 if scum, I know it's not a hard clear but still)

[Marky Mark]

Btw please don't hammer while I'm catching up (not sure what the gamestate is at, but just seen mention of hammering on this page)

[Andresvmb]

VOTE: Tayl0r

[Tayl0r Swift]

FL, you gonna vote Taylor or not? Because this kind of looks like a big show and I hate it. If Andres is scum saving taylor, then vote taylor

I have clearly stated I will vote Taylor, I’m not trying to hide it at all, so I don’t understand that at all.

My word is stronger than any vote i May place.

then vote there??? like i dont get ur posturing without actually walking the walk like both of u and andres are annoying me by withholding a vote. maybe its just especially so since ive pinned down taylor since d1 and no one listened to me until now so i really just dont want them to wriggle out.

when i flip town will you eat your hat?

[Infinity 324]

Yeah I know the votes aren’t there. But I don’t want Flavor to come back at the end of the game after winning as Scum and saying that nobody even suspected them.

Lol this is a townpost

[DkKoba]

Btw please don't hammer while I'm catching up (not sure what the gamestate is at, but just seen mention of hammering on this page)

u got a nightphase to think about things (:

[Flavor Leaf]

My lack of vote also is bait for scum to try and use that against me.

Especially because I’ve clearly stated that I am willing to vote in my 4. If we decide on Taylor, i will vote when I’m ready, and that will be the hammer and when I’m ready to move to the next day. I was earlier. Now I kinda wanna think about some stuff

[DkKoba]

FL, you gonna vote Taylor or not? Because this kind of looks like a big show and I hate it. If Andres is scum saving taylor, then vote taylor

I have clearly stated I will vote Taylor, I’m not trying to hide it at all, so I don’t understand that at all.

My word is stronger than any vote i May place.

then vote there??? like i dont get ur posturing without actually walking the walk like both of u and andres are annoying me by withholding a vote. maybe its just especially so since ive pinned down taylor since d1 and no one listened to me until now so i really just dont want them to wriggle out.

when i flip town will you eat your hat?

thats an easy bet

[Andresvmb]

i dont understand what ur play is supposed to be here but hey

I’m signaling suspicion clearly. And stating why. So that if I’m not around or get executed, you think about what I said later.

[DkKoba]

andres are you town? if you are just please hammer and i will send u a message tonight explaining why i wanted this to be accelerated a little bit

[Andresvmb]

andres are you town? if you are just please hammer and i will send u a message tonight explaining why i wanted this to be accelerated a little bit

I already changed my vote. If this is wrong I’m blaming you. I’m going to lock you as Town though.