In post 164, TheGoldenParadox wrote:i've skimmed the game pretty lightly. insane we're already at page 7. i'll try to catch up more tomorrow if we're not at three times that number by then.
Yeah, I wouldn't call the length of the game so far insane. It's a brisk pace perhaps, but it is by no means a sprint. For a large, I would be more surprised the thread hasn't exploded as they often tend to do on the first day.
In post 168, BrightEyedFish wrote: In post 159, Ircher wrote:
BrightEyeFished has popped in twice to say nothing of substance; granted, they did so when the game just began. Tentative scum lean there, but it could easily swing the other direction.
I'm still tying to figure out whats going on.
Does anyone have a list of the "claims" made so far? If not, I'll try not to forget to make one later.
Good start.
While I understand that it can take time to get situated, with so few pages in the game, it is rather hard to believe that you already are lost.
In post 175, Endless Terror wrote:the vague claim is slight town!AI since scum!TPB has no need to claim a vague neg utility role as vague roles don't give cred and it limits future fakeclaiming choices
Yeah, no. This is very WIFOM-y kind of logic that will easily lead you astray. To be clear, I don't scumread this opinion, but it is an opinion nonetheless, and I am encouraging you not to be led astray by such an opinion.
In post 176, Happy Unbirthday Boon wrote:@ircher, it's not really a read, more just think BEF has a town vibe so far. My 'vibe' readings are not always correct but so far I have no reason to scumread him.
That's fair I guess.
In post 177, Ydrasse wrote:two things: one, what about the claims makes you think that there’s scum in them? just by virtue of having so many ~negative~ ones/ascetics?
two, why not scumread bell?
1) Yes mainly due to the number. The odds are that one is true-claiming town and one is true-claiming scum. It's not a guarantee, but it seems likelier to me than both are true-claiming town. There's also the possibility one is fake-claiming scum. Heck, maybe one of them is a serial killer. (Ascetic is pretty popular modifier for third party serial killers, and there isn't a guarantee that this game doesn't have any. That said, I am hoping there aren't any serial killers this game because I want to be able to count this game in my ratings.)
2) Well, like I said, the wagon hop doesn't make a good impression, but people will do that kind of stuff regardless of alignment, so in the absence of other evidence, I am reserving judgement.
In post 178, Ydrasse wrote:like, bell so far feels self conscious in the way that he’s approached things? the first thing i noticed was in the post where he voted tsunami (i am on mobile so no post linking) and the second was the wagon hop.
the first stands out more to me because it felt like... forced casualposting; a bit of conversation with me and then a vote tacked on despite having a few posts prior to having been on the thread. it’s a bit like he just wanted to slip on into things without being noticed much. and the wagon hop just sticks out a bit, like a sore thumb for how it was awkward. it’s definitely my strongest sr right now
Eh, I'm not really seeing it other than the vote hop. Regarding the question about anti-at fields or whatever, I would've asked the same if someone hadn't beaten me to it. And as I said above, people will do things like the wagon hop regardless of alignment, so it is important not to pass judgement too quickly.
In post 179, Endless Terror wrote:i might be confbiased given my reads on the two but it feels like scum!ydrasse went "hey why is this townie that looks self-aware not pushed"
Eh, I wouldn't jump as far as saying Ydrasse is scum from the way she is pushing this. Like, sometimes people see things that others don't, or read things from a different angle. I think the way Ydrasse elaborated on her read supports the idea that her read isn't just something she made up to fling shade at Bell.
In post 198, Endless Terror wrote:
this is some strange shade to be throwing. claiming ascetic day 1 is correct even if its boring, but i also dunno why the flavor was included. ping
-tay
Umm.... Nothing about Ari's statement is shade...
In post 206, Endless Terror wrote:-gypyx is almost conftown to me
-bell is solid town
-pelican brief is likely town based on the claim, but trying to sound awkward is ??. willing to let titus do her thing for now though, i think i can read titus fairly well.
-HBB is town
-unsure about HUB. i didnt get the strong townpings that other people did. it could be the lack of avatar. i scumread people without avatars.
-brightfish is a scumlean
-tay
I probably agree with about half of these reads, but it's still a pretty good post.
In post 209, Endless Terror wrote:shelly and i have been debating how we should treat claiming. we have decided to claim a bit more: we are also a parallel universe. there is one small portion of the role that gyp left out. if gyp is town that should confirm us as town too, we think. initially i wanted to locktown gyp for having our role, but theres nothing saying that scum cant have an ascetic. and it seems a little strange that there would be two townies with the same exact named role.
-tay
... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... Honestly, this doesn't exactly feel genuine to me... ... ... ... ... ...
In post 219, Tsunami Slayer wrote:My Reads list:
Bell is scum
Pelican is scum
HBB is scum
Sure about HUB, but not sure what im sure about them
Bright is town.
@Tsunami: I would like you to elaborate on at least two of these, and the more, the better.
I agree with pretty much none of them.
In post 227, Endless Terror wrote:-S
unless you're exactly Scum Parallel Universe [REDACTED] but scum'd prob have a diff flavour
-S
Why would scum have different flavor? Also, I asked Boonskiies about if flavor has an effect in this game (it's on the checklist, but that was a bit unclear), and he said no.
While I do agree with you that it wasn't rolefishing, it was an extremely lazy thing to post, and it did not leave a good impression.
Is it not obvious? Why the aggression?
In post 159, Ircher wrote:Current Reads:
Scum in {Gypyx, Endless Terror, Pelican} based on claims. I'm inclined to believe Gypyx's claim the most, but even if true, it doesn't make them town.
Did I miss something?
Gypyx/ET/Pelican
weren't the only slots with claims that haven't been debunked by the person yet.
Also, I don't like that you frame how scum must be an absolute probability among the claims, yet you don't resolve any potential read among them.[/quote]
... Maybe I could have worded it better, but my reads there is by no means an "absolute probability"; more of a "likelier than the alternative" kind of thing. And why I should I have taken the other claims seriously when they were obviously in jest. "Ascetic Nihilist" --> Really? You think that someone might have that role? And "N1 lightning rod" (or whatever was claimed)? Why should I believe that claim as well?
In post 231, Taly wrote:Your belief in Gypyx is also pinging to me, because you say "inclined to believe ... the most ... doesn't make them town".... so, you have reason to think Gypyx is the most honest, but they can be scum?
Yes, I don't see the contradiction. Gypyx telling the truth does not imply that Gypyx is town. All that it implies is that Gypyx is an Ascetic.
From the looks of this post of yours, I would wager the answer is "No, no you are not."
In post 233, Endless Terror wrote:its role fishing since scum!you doesn't read into detail and care about the CLAIMS more than finding SCUM
Let's be honest, regardless of my qualms with BrightEyedFish's posts, rolefishing is not a thing BEF has done. This is a bit of a stretch.
In post 240, The Pelican Brief wrote:The ascetic claims are off, particularly the circle vouch, but I am not inclined to fade there day 1. I doubt either is lying about their role. They can be sorted later.
I agree with this.
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post 243, Happy Birthday Boonskiies"
72offsuit probtown for hypothesizing about how many scum there are. I think 5 in 15 is too outlandish for scum who knows the actual number, which is probably 3 or maybe 4? If 72offsuit wants to fake a townslip, he probably guesses in a more reasonable range, rather than guesses 5 and instantly doubles back on it, since that might look suspicious from his PoV for bring too far off and looking potentially fake.
samantha and Ari are both :[
VOTE: samantha[/quote]
I would say re: the scum numbers that it might be very slight town equity, but I wouldn't go as far as saying it is a probtown thing. I think scum who aren't really thinking can easily do the same thing... just like town who aren't thinking. And 15 is a bit of an unusual setup size; 13 and 17 are far more standard. Also,
@Birthday, what haven't you liked about Samantha?
(If you answered this question later in the thread, you can safely ignore this question.)
In post 251, samantha97 wrote:
*crickets*
I don't think gypyx, pelican, or endless are mafia. Even if they were, it wouldn't make sense to vote them on day 1 because of their claims (all votes on endless are suspicious).
Eh kinda agree. We shouldn't treat them too differently based on their claims, but yes, at least one is likely town. I wouldn't rule out the possibility one of them is scum though.
Samantha wrote:
could we switch the bandwagon to BrightEyedFish pls? acting like reading a (less than, at the time) 10 page thread was too difficult is too difficult for me to believe
100% agree with this assessment of BrightEyedFish.
In post 258, BrightEyedFish wrote:Whatever. At that particular time this morn around AT 7 IN THE MORNING I didn't have time to compile a list, I even said I would do it later but Gyp did it for me.
But at that point, the post is just basically filler. It serves absolutely no purpose except to give an excuse for not engaging with the thread more. Also, this "not caring" attitude is very visible... Why shouldn't I think that attitude comes from scum that wants to just let the day go by while not having to work?
@TheGoldenParadox: Explain. Elaborate.
In post 265, Bell wrote:Who did I have to kill to sleep till 10 am. *Dreamy*
@ydrasse, why are you throwing shade at obv town
Okay, this post actually does ping me. Specifically the "obv town" comment.
I do think this is reasonable.
(As if I care about being voted...)
Ummm... Pretty sure it was Endless Terror that made the rolefishing comment... So,
@Ydrasse, why are you voting Samantha?
I heavily agree with this. It is really strange to me that people are resorting to voting you in response to simply disagreeing with your read there.
In post 309, samantha97 wrote:
re:votes: 1 mafia 1 inquisitive/fisher 1 sheep 1 random
I think the claims are town just because a) what they claimed fits with the theme, and b) they did it pretty quickly without any pressure to do so. Like I said, it doesn't really matter if they are town or not right now. Whether you genuinely wanted to lynch them, or wanted to pressure them with votes to roleclaim, the end result is still you voting nonsensically against our day 1 interests.
This is also seems a fair assessment to me as well. Not definite there is scum on the counterwagon, but it's definitely suspect the way it formed.
Yes, they altslipped in the game.
