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[skitter30]

I’m mildly concerned that you’re still TRing S_S at this point too

he's probably my strongest townread

[skitter30]

i think it's as simple as she thought she could get the miselim on you
i dont' get why town!lilith just backs down there either ?

But like, was I that much of a threat that she needed to out to get me? And if I was, why back off after?

Not to mention, I was gaining steam as a wagon anyway, I’m not sure scum!lili feels she needs to try to push me mechanically there as opposed to just pushing me for X, Y, or Z reason about my play

honestly i have no idea, it doens't make sense to claim as town there either. like you can rewrite that sentence as: i'm not sure town!lili feels she needs to try to push me mechanically there as opposed to just pushing me for x y or z reasons about my play. ]
and it makes just as much sense to say that about town!lilith

like it doesn't make sense either way so my brain is basically discounting it as a usable piece of evidence because it doesn't make sense, and is focusing on her play, which doesn't look like town

[Menalque]

what are the odds that scum!duck happens to claim a role that just so perfectly fits in with this setup?'
i don't remember the specific mechanical argument but it basically boiled down to the improbability of scum choosing to make some action over another or something, right? and since he picked the improbable one he must be town? or claimed soemthing improbable? i don't remember i have to look it up
or that he needed to be town for the setup to make sense or something.

but it was nebulous and we all went for it anyways ...

It wasn’t his actions tho I don’t think, it was what his fakeclaimed role *was*

It didn’t make sense alongside pooky’s (awfully, awfully made) bomb claim and bc pooky looked so much worse duck looked town

I could be slightly wrong here bc I didn’t follow that closely after I got banned but I don’t think it was his *actions* that falsely mechcleared him as it was bad setup spec, maybe S_S can help out on this tho, or lili herself?

[skitter30]

like it's a baffling thing to do, as both alignments. i don't get why it's so much more likely to come from baffling!town than baffling!scum because town!her has no reason to claim there either

[skitter30]

honestly i don't remember the details but i'm getting like miccro vibes about the gamestate because all the pieces aren't fitting together

[Menalque]

You know what would be incredibly funny, incidentally? Would be if S_S and lili are scum together again and we’re both town only we’ve reversed in terms of which one we think is scum from JK9++

[Menalque]

honestly i don't remember the details but i'm getting like miccro vibes about the gamestate because all the pieces aren't fitting together

I agree with that (things feeling ~off~) but I really think the only way to resolve that is massclaim and I think we’re way too early

[the worst]

vote count 3.05

Dunnstral (4)

: petapan, Infinity 324, Hoopla, Menalque

lilith2013 (1)

: skitter30

Menalque (1)

: Dunnstral

Not_Mafia (1)

: Not_Mafia

Not voting

: davesaz, Something_Smart, Best Bird, lilith2013, Not_Mafia

Deadline: (expired on 2020-11-19 09:30:00)

With 11 alive, it takes 6 to eliminate.

mod notes

:
- skitter30 v/la fridays & saturdays
- my ears are burning

[Menalque]

I’m mildly concerned that you’re still TRing S_S at this point too

he's probably my strongest townread

Why? This is very much in line with his scumgame and he’s been getting no pressure for bad reasons

ALSO this reminds me, do you think people are TRing you for good reasons?

[skitter30]

You know what would be incredibly funny, incidentally? Would be if S_S and lili are scum together again and we’re both town only we’ve reversed in terms of which one we think is scum from JK9++

the thought did cross my mind, but i'm p sure ss is town here

[Menalque]

like it's a baffling thing to do, as both alignments. i don't get why it's so much more likely to come from baffling!town than baffling!scum because town!her has no reason to claim there either

But she totally does! If town!her thinks she’s blocked the killer and that I might wriggle my way out of dying by just, idk, power scumming I guess? Then it makes perfect sense for town lil to feel she needs to reveal that info to make sure I don’t get away

[skitter30]

I’m mildly concerned that you’re still TRing S_S at this point too

he's probably my strongest townread

Why? This is very much in line with his scumgame and he’s been getting no pressure for bad reasons

ALSO this reminds me, do you think people are TRing you for good reasons?

eh he's like more ~obstinate~ (?) than his scumgame i think
idk what the right word is but i don't think this is it

idk how to explain ti better

[Menalque]

Also I’m lowkey unsure that scum would take JK as their first draft pick but that’s getting into WIFOM territory

My priority there would always be denying town the cop

[skitter30]

i dont' have any particular complaints about how people are reading me rn

[Menalque]

I’m mildly concerned that you’re still TRing S_S at this point too

he's probably my strongest townread

Why? This is very much in line with his scumgame and he’s been getting no pressure for bad reasons

ALSO this reminds me, do you think people are TRing you for good reasons?

eh he's like more ~obstinate~ (?) than his scumgame i think
idk what the right word is but i don't think this is it

idk how to explain ti better

He’s also like, way way less interested in solving tho

[skitter30]

like it's a baffling thing to do, as both alignments. i don't get why it's so much more likely to come from baffling!town than baffling!scum because town!her has no reason to claim there either

But she totally does! If town!her thinks she’s blocked the killer and that I might wriggle my way out of dying by just, idk, power scumming I guess? Then it makes perfect sense for town lil to feel she needs to reveal that info to make sure I don’t get away

didn't you start wriggling out of it *after* she claimed? like when you get to l-1 (which happened after she claimed) that's when you started towning it up?

[Menalque]

i dont' have any particular complaints about how people are reading me rn

Incl reads like infinity’s? That seems weird to me bc normally you call out when people are TRing you for bad reasons but I don’t think I’ve seen you do that here

[Menalque]

like it's a baffling thing to do, as both alignments. i don't get why it's so much more likely to come from baffling!town than baffling!scum because town!her has no reason to claim there either

But she totally does! If town!her thinks she’s blocked the killer and that I might wriggle my way out of dying by just, idk, power scumming I guess? Then it makes perfect sense for town lil to feel she needs to reveal that info to make sure I don’t get away

didn't you start wriggling out of it *after* she claimed? like when you get to l-1 (which happened after she claimed) that's when you started towning it up?

I think I’d already started along that route before I hit L-1, when I was at like L-3 or something is when I started upping the energy level

[skitter30]

Manlque was fairly obviously blocked, stopping the kill don't out town pr, elim through claim:

VOTE: Menalque

Wut

And what do u mean about me?

i forgot about this. wtf is this

[skitter30]

vote count 2.04

Menalque (5)

: lilith2013, Infinity 324, JacksonVirgo, Hoopla, Dunnstral

TheGoldenParadox (3)

: Uncrowned, PenguinPower, skitter30

skitter30 (1)

: Menalque

Hoopla (1)

: TheGoldenParadox

JacksonVirgo (1)

: petapan

Not voting

: davesaz, Something_Smart

Deadline: (expired on 2020-11-13 13:00:00)

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to eliminate.

mod notes

:
- skitter30 v/la fridays & saturdays
- quack

I’m pretty sure Dunn just picked up my attempt to soft, you can stop questioning him. I jailkept mena last night.

this was a spontaneous claim, while you were at l-2, and while you were the only sizeable wagon.

you started towning it up in 1648, after several more people gave support for voting you after the claim

there's no reason to claim here as either alignment, so there's no reason to call it townie
it's a bizarre thing to do and is equally bizarre from either alignment

[Something_Smart]

Can you explain these please?

I initially got a townread on skitter for her push on lilith. I thought that she was only scum if lilith was also scum, because if skitter-scum/lilith-town then she can't know that lilith had a COVID scare and that's probably the only reason lilith wasn't pushed to near-execution, and that looks bad for skitter when lilith either flips town or inevitably claims an strong role and relieves the pressure. Since then I feel like skitter has pretty much played in line with her towngame, and while that's mostly in line with her scumgame as well, her pushes seem to be pretty dynamic and reactive rather than agenda-based.

Dave I touched on yesterday, it's mostly based on those D1 twilight posts where he expressed what looked to me as genuine confusion over whether DGB did her antics as town or scum. I think it takes a pretty gutsy scum to make a post like that and have it not come out sounding awkward, especially for dave who is fairly low-charisma and straightforward.

You... I don't know. You don't feel like guiltied scum waiting for the other shoe to drop; you're playing very casually and taking things slow. I would not expect that you would come out of day 2 thinking "this is it, I'm in the clear now and I don't have to worry about lilith having blocked me". Also, I think scum-you would be pretty apprehensive about calling me scum when nobody else is, whereas I can understand where you're coming from with that read having arisen organically.

Lilith I believe I already explained. It's mostly mechanical-- the fact that the no-kill happened, and the way she played around it and her claim. Even if I didn't think she was town I wouldn't want to kill her today anyway.

[Something_Smart]

Noted, yet also something that I think makes you infinitely more suspicious if dunn is town

I think skitter whiteknighting is probably less blatant than "I want it on the record that I opposed this execution"?

[skitter30]

Spoiler:

Subject: Micro 960: A Year of Miccros II - Game Over

@ work atm i'll Do More Words later: i'm a bodyguard neighbour.

Subject: Micro 960: A Year of Miccros II - Game Over

why weren't you on lilith ... ?

Subject: Micro 960: A Year of Miccros II - Game Over

she was the obvious n1 kill ... ?
who were you on then?

Subject: Micro 960: A Year of Miccros II - Game Over

SS.

Subject: Micro 960: A Year of Miccros II - Game Over

SS.

you thought ss was more likely to do than lilith ???

yes

@mena this is ehat i was thinking of wrt duck

[Something_Smart]

like remember how in micc's micro i spent forever on tw despite everyone trying to talk me out of it and then i got burned because i listened to like nebulous mechanics arguments? that's literally how i feel rn

big big huge giant difference: this is an open setup.

The reasoning from Miccro was that BG made more sense in the setup than bomb did. (I stand by it.)

The reasoning here is purely based on the actions of the players within the game.

[Something_Smart]

i think it's as simple as she thought she could get the miselim on you

that seems uh optimistic on her part