Mini Normal 2173 | Bending | Game Over

[Gypyx]

(This is an updated vc above, forgot to remove quotes)

[DrippingGoofball]

I am not voting JV, he is bleeding green.

[DrippingGoofball]

Last time someone was as obsessed with me as Marky is, that player was scum.

[Gypyx]

Wait hold on no that's a wrong vc ffs

Rewriting time, sorry guys

[Gypyx]

Official Vote Count 2.02

i swear this one is correct

---

Official Vote Count 2.02

With 11 votes in play, it takes 6 to eliminate someone.

JacksonVirgo: 3

(Andresvmb, Tayl0r Swift, Infinity 324)

Tayl0r Swift: 2

( Flavor Leaf, DkKoba)

VP Baltar: 1

( Not_Mafia)

DrippingGoofball: 1

(Marky Mark)

Marky Mark: 1

(DrippingGoofball)

Not Voting: 3

( Almost50, JacksonVirgo, VP baltar)

Deadline

: (expired on 2020-11-21 15:36:41)

Mod Notes

: –[/area]

[Marky Mark]

I am not voting JV, he is bleeding green.

Apologies, I am clearly getting things muddled. You pivoted to FL and then to me when you saw FL was conftown.

I mean there's a fine line between tunneling and treating a SR dogmatically to stop them slipping under the radar. I feel like I'm the right side of that line, but that's one for the other players to decide

[Andresvmb]

VOTE: Marky Mark

After JV’s rant there, I’m thinking that vote is off.

[JacksonVirgo]

VOTE: Marky Mark

After JV’s rant there, I’m thinking that vote is off.

What vote specifically, and can I ask why you are thinking this after I "ranted" (I don't see where I ranted at all?)

[JacksonVirgo]

I'm off to sleep, nightio

[Marky Mark]

VOTE: Marky Mark

After JV’s rant there, I’m thinking that vote is off.

I'm not voting or even SRing JV

[JacksonVirgo]

Dude I swear I was voting Taylor

VOTE: Taylor

[VP Baltar]

VOTE: taylor

I slept and this still seems right.

[VP Baltar]

My problem with JV is that they make logical sense, but every time I read them in ISO I get almost no scum vibes

Is that a problem? I'm confused

By problem, I mean it would be an obvious solve here if you are scum, but I have a hard time seeing that when I read your posts. I could be getting snowed by someone, and I don't like that

[VP Baltar]

A50, your nonvoting is starting to bug me actually.

[Marky Mark]

VOTE: Marky Mark

After JV’s rant there, I’m thinking that vote is off.

I'm not voting or even SRing JV

Oh wait, I get it - you're saying that

you

are no longer SRing JV, ergo you have decided to plonk a vote on me

Not particularly AI but amusing: that's 4/4 claimed PRs that you have now pushed this game

[Andresvmb]

VOTE: Marky Mark

After JV’s rant there, I’m thinking that vote is off.

I'm not voting or even SRing JV

Oh wait, I get it - you're saying that

you

are no longer SRing JV, ergo you have decided to plonk a vote on me

Not particularly AI but amusing: that's 4/4 claimed PRs that you have now pushed this game

This is false since I never actively pushed Koba. I might have expressed doubts, but I certainly came out leaning positive on Koba overall and more so over time.

And you can phrase my disagreement with Flavor however you want, but Flavor came at me much harder than I ever did. If you were trying to be objective you would see that.

[Andresvmb]

VOTE: Marky Mark

After JV’s rant there, I’m thinking that vote is off.

What vote specifically, and can I ask why you are thinking this after I "ranted" (I don't see where I ranted at all?)

I would argue that your references to being in the hospital (which btw, I’m really sorry to hear - outside of game it sounds like you’ve been having a tough time and I hope things improve) might constitute ranting. Nothing egregious in my opinion. But they are emotionally charged, which I should be thinking as NAI but I know they’re not.

[Andresvmb]

VOTE: Marky Mark

After JV’s rant there, I’m thinking that vote is off.

I'm not voting or even SRing JV

Oh wait, I get it - you're saying that

you

are no longer SRing JV, ergo you have decided to plonk a vote on me

Not particularly AI but amusing: that's 4/4 claimed PRs that you have now pushed this game

This is false since I never actively pushed Koba. I might have expressed doubts, but I certainly came out leaning positive on Koba overall and more so over time.

And you can phrase my disagreement with Flavor however you want, but Flavor came at me much harder than I ever did. If you were trying to be objective you would see that.

If you want to understand my vote, all you have to do is look through your constant push on Koba, which approached a tunnel. I think that push immediately makes you suspicious in my eyes.

[Marky Mark]

@Andres, apologies, you are correct ref Koba, I had it in my head you voted her D1 for some reason

Pedit - I have explained at great length why I SRed Koba D1 and a good dose of that was her discrediting and refusal to answer simple questions. Yes, I was incorrect but I followed up my points with her because I didn't want her to avoid scrutiny by deflecting (eg the repeated refusal to explain the inconsistencies in 909)

[Marky Mark]

Like this is why I'm finding it hard with DGB ATM - if I pursue a slot that keeps deflecting I get painted with confbias/tunneling and if I don't then they slink back under the radar

[Andresvmb]

@Andres, apologies, you are correct ref Koba, I had it in my head you voted her D1 for some reason

Pedit - I have explained at great length why I SRed Koba D1 and a good dose of that was her discrediting and refusal to answer simple questions. Yes, I was incorrect but I followed up my points with her because I didn't want her to avoid scrutiny by deflecting (eg the repeated refusal to explain the inconsistencies in 909)

I understand that you can objectively defend your insistence on pursuing Koba on specific points throughout D1. I get that. But I can also very much see the Scum motivation. It’s hard to completely pin you down when Koba is actively dismissing your points and ignoring you, but you were told repeatedly (as were others) that this is how Koba plays, and you also failed to take into account the broader point that I made about how attacking practically everyone did not seem like a smart way to play Scum. And Koba is right, they tend to be the target of Scum pushes precisely because of how they come across. So yeah, you’ll forgive me for being skeptical of your slot, regardless of your claim to being a PR (which was forced by Koba).

[VP Baltar]

I have explained at great length why I SRed Koba D1 and a good dose of that was her discrediting and refusal to answer simple questions. Yes, I was incorrect but I followed up my points with her because I didn't want her to avoid scrutiny by deflecting (eg the repeated refusal to explain the inconsistencies in 909)

I'd like to hear where you are on Koba currently. If town reading, what changed your mind specifically?

[Marky Mark]

@Andres - I can see how that kinda makes sense fypov, although the point I made D1 was that while Koba may naturally be an aggressive player, clearly she is still going to be scum some of the time, and her posting looked like she was on this occasion, ie it went beyond just simply being in-your-face. Clearly, I was wrong.

-- pedit: After the mailman claim, she seemed very likely town for a few reasons
-Town mailman seems a more likely role on average than scum mailman in terms of setups
-She was SRing me and her reaction seemed to very much be of a townie who thought they might have caught scum
-I just don't see why scum!dk would benefit particularly from revealing their hand there (I guess you could argue to let them scumbuddies know bc no daytalk, but what are they going to do with that info during the day?)

I am now reading dk as pretty much conftown as it seems v likely that they and FL are legit re FL's FN claim

[Marky Mark]

Apologies for the wrong pronoun use in the pedit above. DK's avatar keeps throwing me, but I will try to get it right in future

[VP Baltar]

And you're TRing taylor and infinity both?