Mini Theme 2172: Great Idea Mafia - Game Over

[NoPowerOverMe]

I could be a wolf, so I am not technically clear. In this game practically every role has a built in fake claim.

Why can't you and user be a mafia team?

[MURDERCAT]

Me and user could be the mafia team, but I know I'm town so

I don't think you could be a wolf because we went from 2 kills down to 1 last night.

If it's me and username then that would be 2:2:1. The win condition is probably eliminating all enemy factions, not parity, because this setup is weird and anything can happen, but still we'd have jumped on the suggestion to eliminate primate if that were the case.

[NoPowerOverMe]

Not necessarily, if you think I vote echo, then you NK me and that eliminates the town and you win.

Also, isn't protecting a possible town non IC-PR(doctor, cop, etc) possibly a better play than protecting an IC?

[MURDERCAT]

Eh well that's wasn't his justification. Also I think protecting the IC is probably still better but I guess that's up for debate.

The only reason you would think that we wouldn't pile on primate is that you think I'm not actually an RB, which seems unlikely for the same reason that echo seems likely to be a doctor. If we got to 2:2 today then we RB echo, kill echo, and win.

[NoPowerOverMe]

So you're threatening me?

[MURDERCAT]

lmao just trying to lead you through the logic

[iamausername]

What's the case on echo and why are you so concerned with Primate getting a win?

i am willing to stake the game on Murdercat being town here, because nothing about the way he reacted to Herta's claim makes any sense if he isn't.

if Murdercat is town, you are also town, barring a weird scenario where you are a werewolf who didn't make the kill N1 after claiming gravedigger, a scenario that also requires one of Echo/Primate to be scum anyway. and frankly, your extreme paranoia today makes that about as unlikely as Murdercat being scum.

so, if there is only one scum left, it is either Echo or Primate, and it doesn't matter in the slightest to town which one we execute first.

if there are two scum left, it's probably both of them, and it still doesn't matter to town which one we execute first.

so the only difference it makes is that in the scenario where Echo is the last scum and Primate is actually a survivor, Primate gets to win too if we execute Echo first.

[NoPowerOverMe]

I don't see the logic sorry

[iamausername]

for Murdercat to be mafia, he would have to see that Herta, whose alignment he doesn't know, claimed roleblocker, and within the space of ten minutes, decide to immediately vote Herta as if he 100% knew the claim was a lie, then PM the mod to check if roles could be doubled up, then claim roleblocker himself after confirming that they can

when Herta was already pretty high on most people's scumlists, so it's not like he would need to counter claim to get him executed

[EchoVision]

you’re tunneling too much on the idea of only one scum team left
don’t we have “two role blockers” and a doctor?
there’s actually so many ways that only 1 NK goes through last night

[EchoVision]

murder why are you not suspecting whoever you RBd last night?
same with user?
or why do we think they didn’t target my doc target?

[EchoVision]

you’re not actually taking into account any of the claims for their use from yesterday
we literally have a protectorate AND TWO blockers and you’re amazed that there was only 1 kill and you’re certain that there’s only one faction left
i’m thinking one of you two isn’t actually a roleblocker

[EchoVision]

oh wait it wasn’t user that claimed roleblocker
regardless we have a role blocker and a protectorate

[iamausername]

echo, you're going to need to put forth a plausible theory for who the remaining scum actually are and not just point out that it's hypothetically possible for there to be two of them

good luck

[EchoVision]

it’s not hypothetically possible, it’s actually very likely
murder why’s user cleared? because you blocked him N2? why does that clear him?

[iamausername]

it’s not hypothetically possible, it’s actually very likely

ok, who are they

[MURDERCAT]

murder why are you not suspecting whoever you RBd last night?
same with user?
or why do we think they didn’t target my doc target?

We killed the "RB" they were a wolf

[MURDERCAT]

murder why’s user cleared? because you blocked him N2? why does that clear him?

Please see the post that I made to NPOM

[MURDERCAT]

This all hinges on there being a single scum left. Things get weird if there's 2 mafia left, but that seems pretty unlikely.

We think there is likely 1 scum faction left because we went from 2 kills to 1 kill last night.
That scum faction would have to be mafia, because otherwise that would mean that there were no mafia left after day 1 to make the N1 and N2 kills.
If there is 1 mafia left they had to have made the N1 and N2 kills, because italiano was dead already.
Because I am claiming to have RB'd you on N1 and username on N2, one of the nights should have resulted in 1 less kill if either of you are scum.
The other possibility is that I'm lying, in which case you are both still clear *given the fact that there is only 1 scum left*

[EchoVision]

your reason for thinking there’s only 1 scum left is so flawed

[MURDERCAT]

It's that, but also, who are the two scum then? Keep in mind I know I'm not one of them

[EchoVision]

like it’s leading me to believe that your rb claim was fake
why do you have zero confidence that you roleblocked and blocked a kill
why do you have zero confidence that my doc didn’t protect somebody
why do you have zero confidence that both groups didn’t target the same person

[MURDERCAT]

I blocked ico who died...

[MURDERCAT]

Username is right, if you want me to take a 2 scum scenario seriously you need to be specific about who the two are

[Primate]

I've been being kind of quiet today because I don't want to jinx it honestly. If you're genuinely willing to move the lynch order around so I have a chance at winning I'm massively grateful. I've tried to be a sincere as I can.

Username is entirely right on Murdercat's counterclaim being good for him. It'd be a big risk as scum to be seen to be falsly counterclaiming like that.