Open 798 | PYPX/Y+I/M | Game Over!

[davesaz]

If town chose commuter that's an even stranger pick than the ones that have already been revealed. I guess someone who flat out expects to be N1'd could do that, otherwise how do you know when to activate other than last night? Maybe it's just me thinking it's a useless role...

pedit: I'm down for that.
VOTE: Hoopla

[Infinity 324]

Forcing scum to claim PR early is good.

But forcing town to claim PR early is bad.

Therefore, the scummier someone is, the more likely we want them to claim early.

I also don't get these hoopla votes. I thought her push on skitter was the towniest thing she's done all game.

[skitter30]

we all like collectively have ignored the possibility of 1s commuter being the reason the kill went missing n1, i'm noting

I did so because commuter has literally never been successfully taken in any run of this setup before.

fair enough

[davesaz]

I tend to SR people who don't acknowledge the TPR principle. Hoopla is a prime candidate for this award.

You literally just saw her do this as town though, so whether you agree or disagree with it, it shouldn't have a bearing on her alignment.

If I did, it didn't get upgraded to long-term memory. There is an element of situation as well.

[davesaz]

I also don't get these hoopla votes. I thought her push on skitter was the towniest thing she's done all game.

She has hammered continuously on the idea that scum are in the early draft, and

only

in the early draft, as far as I can remember.

[skitter30]

I also don't get these hoopla votes. I thought her push on skitter was the towniest thing she's done all game.

i'm kinda at the point where i'm running out of people i can think are scum so i'm voting people i don't townread as strongly
i don't deny that she's done townie things, but like in my internal ranking of how townie people are, she's not super high in comparison to other people

[Something_Smart]

If I did, it didn't get upgraded to long-term memory.

Go back and read her early posts from your game. She pushed the very same argument that scum intentionally avoiding collisions tends to put them higher up in the draft.

[Menalque]

we all like collectively have ignored the possibility of 1s commuter being the reason the kill went missing n1, i'm noting

i'm not super vibing dave!scum tbh but idk where to vote rn

I actually did note this but then uh forgot again

[Menalque]

Hey S_S how about whacking down an intent on dunn so we can keep things moving along

[Menalque]

If I did, it didn't get upgraded to long-term memory.

Go back and read her early posts from your game. She pushed the very same argument that scum intentionally avoiding collisions tends to put them higher up in the draft.

I can verify this, I checked her meta to see if she was being weird or not this game

[Menalque]

Also from a mechanical POV I agree more with hoopla’s “scum are more likely to be individual numbers” than I do with dave’s “leave the PRs alone until late game”

Like we only get 4 wrong executions anyway, I just wanna kill people who are scummy

[Menalque]

My priority there would always be denying town the cop

The problem with doing this is then you pretty much have to claim cop. And skitter can tell you how well that goes :3

yeah 2/10, would not recommend

Is this a throwback to venrobs or am I missing something?

[Infinity 324]

generally speaking i find earnestness in the face of absurdity suspicious, because it shows you're more interested in placating me despite having no real reason to.

I actually think hoopla is on to something here. Like town!skitter doesn't

ignore

the questions per se, but she's more likely to have some sort of emotional response to the push along the lines of "why are you asking me to do this", where as scum she's more likely to unconsiously give validity to the line of questioning. I also saw some of this from the mena/skitter interactions in the past few questions, where it felt like mena was questioning skitter and she didn't really show an emotional response from the push, such as "idk what to tell you, I'm town here", or "I understand why you're pushing on me, but you're on the wrong track" or something else.

[Menalque]

Talking about it at all helps scum. Nice job.

If you think scum haven’t already had/aren’t already having this conversation then you’re delusional

Please answer the question

What role could dunn have that would be so strong that it makes sense to just let him be indefinitely despite his play

[skitter30]

My priority there would always be denying town the cop

The problem with doing this is then you pretty much have to claim cop. And skitter can tell you how well that goes :3

yeah 2/10, would not recommend

Is this a throwback to venrobs or am I missing something?

venrob throwback

[skitter30]

generally speaking i find earnestness in the face of absurdity suspicious, because it shows you're more interested in placating me despite having no real reason to.

I actually think hoopla is on to something here. Like town!skitter doesn't

ignore

the questions per se, but she's more likely to have some sort of emotional response to the push along the lines of "why are you asking me to do this", where as scum she's more likely to unconsiously give validity to the line of questioning. I also saw some of this from the mena/skitter interactions in the past few questions, where it felt like mena was questioning skitter and she didn't really show an emotional response from the push, such as "idk what to tell you, I'm town here", or "I understand why you're pushing on me, but you're on the wrong track" or something else.

idk why you think i'd have an emotional response to hoopla's line of questioning as either alignment
mena's didn't really bother me either
i think i'm becoming mellow in my old age

[Infinity 324]

idk why you think i'd have an emotional response to hoopla's line of questioning as either alignment
mena's didn't really bother me either
i think i'm becoming mellow in my old age

It's just something I normally see from town when they get pushed/questioned a lot.

[skitter30]

idk what to say, neither bothered me

[Menalque]

Tbf i still think skitt is scummy but she’s good enough that the emotionality thing is not a decent tell for her

[skitter30]

Yeah i thought about pulling that out too but didnt bother

[Menalque]

To be clear: skitter scummy, but not to the point where I want her elimmed today

I also like, want to clarify on this a bit: in terms of my interactions with her, she *feels* like town. A lot of the time, I’d just be straight TRing her here. The issue is that I know that when she focuses on me she can make me TR her for tone/feel when she’s scum, *even if I’m aware of that and looking out for it*. So despite my wish to TR her for her approach to me and for what feels a lot like genuine solving together I cant

That’s then coupled with what I think was a very dubious lilith focus which I think she’d have snapped out of earlier if town, a dubious SR on my slot on early D2 for reasons that I still don’t think make sense for town!her to SR me for, and... actually, that’s mostly it in terms of things I find actually scummy about her. The rest is more just us not seeing eye-to-eye on several things (infinity’s D1 for instance, dunn today, S_S today) but I think that’s mostly NAI bc we have those disagreements in some games when we’re both town too

[Best Bird]

I find myself aligning more with mena's thoughts than skitter's at this point - and am foregoing my paranoia read that they are both scum batting us around like a cat with a ball of yarn - so consider my vote for dunn.

[Menalque]

I don’t wanna do my dead bois dirty like that by not murderising dunn today

[Menalque]

Cool, dunn, it’s claim time buddy!

[skitter30]

The issue is that I know that when she focuses on me she can make me TR her for tone/feel when she’s scum, *even if I’m aware of that and looking out for it*.

tbf i'm not actually sure i can, you usually sort it out properly when i'm scum
i maintain my lilith sr, and my earlier reasons to sr you (i no longer scumread you tho)

i'm also like not ~super~ worried about your disagreement with me here atm, cuz you'll eventually come around or i'll like die or something before it needs to be forced