Sirius9121's Mini Normal Review, November 2020

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Mafia Odd-night Roleblocker x1
Mafia Even-night Neapolitian x1
Town Even-Night Vigilante x1
Town Two-shot Babysitter x1
Town One-shot Ascetic x1
Town VT x4

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Primary: Something_Smart
Secondary: Isis

[Sirius9121]

ego

[Sirius9121]

this setup might be less balanced than the one I did last month, but eh..

[Isis]

As a secondary my initial impression is definitely that this is scumsided...:
caveat, "one-shot ascetic" isn't a thing, because ascetic is a passive modifier, but, all interpretations of what that actually means still results in a scumsided setup here.

I expect the primary reviewer S_S to agree with me.

[Sirius9121]

Mafia Odd-night Roleblocker x1
Mafia

Even-night

Night 2 Neapolitian x1
Town Even-Night Vigilante x1
Town Two-shot Babysitter x1
Town One-shot

Ascetic

Hiderx1
Town VT x4

[Sirius9121]

this better?

[Something_Smart]

I think one-shot ascetic is definitely legal but also definitely weird, and I wouldn't expect it to play out differently from full ascetic.

Even-night neapolitan -> night 2 neapolitan is not a change just so you know, micros don't get to night 4 without a massclaim.

Setup as is seems quite swingy. Town is hoping for exactly two extra deaths? But that night make the game go by awfully fast (in fact, I think as written it's possible for either team to win on N1).

[Something_Smart]

*that

might

[Something_Smart]

Er no, game can't end on N1 because vig is even-night. But it can end on D2.

[Sirius9121]

I'm editing

I mean, I'm mass editing

[Sirius9121]

Mafia 1shot Bulletproof
Mafia 2shot Vanilla Cop
Town Vanilla x4
Town Watcher
Town 2shot Alignment Cop
Town Indecisive Doctor

[Sirius9121]

What I need is more PRs than Vanillas this game

[Something_Smart]

This one's brokenly townsided. 2-shot cop + VT's vs goons is close to balanced (if boring and swingy) and having two protective roles, one of which is watcher, is massive overkill.

I probably wouldn't include a watcher in a micro at all. It just has too good a chance of completely breaking the game.

[Sirius9121]

Mafia 1shot Bulletproof
Mafia 2shot Vanilla Cop
Town Vanilla x4
Town 1shot Neighbourizer
Town 2shot Alignment Cop
Town Indecisive Doctor

[Something_Smart]

I'm still a bit concerned about follow the cop, even if it's only for one night that can be pretty devastating to scum.

[Sirius9121]

I'm still a bit concerned about follow the cop, even if it's only for one night that can be pretty devastating to scum.

make cop macho?

[Isis]

I'm not sure whether the BP and Neighborizer townside or scumside the speculation, if they townside it a lot on top of the cop and doctor that'd seem like a lot to me.

[Sirius9121]

hm

[Sirius9121]

Mafia 1-shot Bulletproof
Mafia 2-shot Vanilla Cop
Town Vanilla x4
Town 1-shot

Hider

Town

Macho

2-shot Alignment Cop
Town Indecisive Doctor

[Something_Smart]

Hider feels like a bit overkill. It probably would have been okay with neighborizer instead of hider?

[Sirius9121]

eh i saw isis wasnt sure
back to neighbourizer then

Mafia 1-shot Bulletproof
Mafia 2-shot Vanilla Cop
Town Vanilla x4
Town 1-shot Neighbourizer
Town Macho 2-shot Alignment Cop
Town Indecisive Doctor

[Isis]

Hider is stronger than neighborizer so it was a step in the wrong direction.

I wouldn't scream about 21 being a pass

[Sirius9121]

What would be a nice change to be done?

[Isis]

Something_Smart is your primary reviewer and indicated he found 21 acceptable, and it definitely doesn't have issues significant enough for me throw yellow cards as a secondary reviewer.

Countering with any setups I'd prefer would be backseat driving from this position. I like being able to express whether I am satisfied or highly satisfied by a setup, but that doesn't mean it meets the threshold for continuing to suggest changes. Excessive modification of setups that have reached some form of passable is possibly bad for normal queue diversity anyway, even if I were the primary reviewer.