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[davesaz]

I guess those weren't hints of what I thought they were.
I don't get why town picks JK when 2/3 of doc/cop/rb will be available at that position. Roles that give unambiguous results are superior to roles that leave questions open.
This same observation goes with Lilith btw.

[Dunnstral]

because everyone can see the draft and people near the top can get roleblocked/killed by mafia

And I personally believe that while jailkeeper is typically stronger than tracker, in this specific open setup, tracker is a plenty powerful role that is kind of unexpected and can give strong results

And it also removes one of the roleblockers by taking that

[Menalque]

Alright:

I'm a vanilla townie, I tried to grab the tracker/jailkeeper slot, and that's why I thought Lilith was town from the start/knew mena was blocked

this still feels like a huge stretch tbh

if dunn is VT then he does know that lili took JK slot (I think it's almost beyond doubt at this point that lili took JK tbh)

knowing that, he assumes that the kill was blocked specifically from lili's "sooooooooooo vote:mena" entry to the day

that feels like he's still making several jumps to come to the conclusion that I'm scum and condemned by lili's comment? (1) she has to have chosen JK > tracker (2) the vote has to be related to her NA and not to my EoD1 play (what skitter was calling scummy at the same time and which was leading to the majority of votes towards me at the time) (3) he has to decide that with both of the first two being true, I'm obviously the one who was blocked from making a kill and that there was no kill on me (4) completely disregards the possibility of a doc save on the same night (also (5) and (6) which are there was a commuter dodge or the rb blocked the person making the nk, but these both seem to have been ignored by just about everyone and don't seem likely to me)

[Menalque]

Manlque was fairly obviously blocked, stopping the kill don't out town pr, elim through claim:

this is also still unexplained

[Menalque]

idk I think we still kill dunn tbh

[Menalque]

What information are we keeping from scum if they dont claim it

More importantly, why are we hammering town instead of the guy who tried to make the kill?

VOTE: TheGoldenParadox

Don't vote park me

this feels TMIy (the "why are we hammering town" bit) combined with him then... hammering TGP who I was pushing as scum? so like uhh why does town!dunn do that esp with something as weak as "don't vote park me" as his reasoning

[Menalque]

let's kill dunn baby

kill dunn 2020, the campaign for votes that America really needed

[Menalque]

I do wanna know what the softs that skitter and dave thought they saw were tho

[davesaz]

Hoopla is onto something

Lilith is alive because scum doesn't have control of the doctor

I found it hard to believe that this would be a scum claim, and it's stated in very definite terms. Much more definite than I would normally use. If it isn't a scum claim but it's still definite...

[petapan]

What information are we keeping from scum if they dont claim it

More importantly, why are we hammering town instead of the guy who tried to make the kill?

VOTE: TheGoldenParadox

Don't vote park me

this feels TMIy (the "why are we hammering town" bit) combined with him then... hammering TGP who I was pushing as scum? so like uhh why does town!dunn do that esp with something as weak as "don't vote park me" as his reasoning

i thought you didn't necessarily see his hammer as that bad at the start of the day?

[Menalque]

I've come round to it

[Menalque]

why is dunn being standoffish towny

[petapan]

thought the attitude he gave toward claiming was more likely how town claims in this situation? the screw you guys i'm not claiming, followed by just outing as vt, doesn't feel like a likely scum approach but i might be overthinking there

[skitter30]

Yeah lilith is town

and also I was neighborized by somebody last night so can confirm that role is in the game

i thought this was softing cop ^
i' don't particularly think dunn is scum, but i don't have any particular objections to voting him out there. wouldn't be surprised if he flipped town tho

[skitter30]

so let me get this straight: you want to flip lilith, claim be damned, and say that the scumteam could reasonably deduce most roles by now, but oppose the vote on Dunnstral because he crumbed a role?

well i thought he was crumbing cop, which i don't think scum!him takes

[skitter30]

If I hadn’t started to present as townie (as skitt thinks) then it was a weirder decision to out as either alignment and prob does increase lili’s scum equity

your flurry of towniness was at e-1, which, again, happened after she claimed
plz check into this ^

[skitter30]

actually the more i think about it the more i think dunn!scum makes sense

[Menalque]

Skitter just strongly town pinged me

[Menalque]

Albeit possibly for a bad reason

[Menalque]

actually the more i think about it the more i think dunn!scum makes sense

idk, I think if dunn!scum then she prob just bussed him from a lot earlier to get max cred for the bus

And at this point I don’t really think she looks that bad if dunn!scum and she’s not on

If dunn!town and skitt!scum, this^ just seems like a really weird way to reposition having spent most of the day defending and is very unsubtle and out of the blue. It’s not impossible for her to fake it, but I feel like to most of the crowd here, they’d prefer a trajectory of how she moves from thinking dunn is town to dunn is scum not just popping it here out of nowhere — with the possible exception of her knowing I’d townread it, but like I’m not sure that skitt would care more about my perception of her than the thread in general

So that leaves us with town!skitt being much more likely to do this in the case of town!dunn

[Menalque]

Put more shortly: if dunn is scum skitter is probably town bc I don’t think she takes this line on him

If dunn is town then I don’t think skitt gives up the white knight position that she’s been taking throughout the day in the way she did

[Not_Mafia]

VOTE: Dunnstral

[Menalque]

VOTE: Dunnstral

just wanna say that if dunn is scum this vote gets no cred whatsoever on future days, mmkay everyone

[Infinity 324]

in case it is not clear: i don't think he's scum now. let's try elsewhere.

Honestly I thought peta was softing (rolecop?) here. My gut is not really saying dunn is scum but logically it just makes sense for him to be scum. So I have to think about it.

[petapan]

lol why the fuck would i pick rolecop as town and why would i soft it