Musician Mafia: Guitarists GAME OVER

[Almost50]

They have no way of communicating with each other.

First question: How do you know that?

Cult, by definition, never do. But you're right I don't know that.

That's new to me. As far as I can remember, the cultist -once recruited- does join a Cult PT (part of why Cult Leaders cannot recruit group scum but can sometime recruited lone 3P roles).

Here is an example of a Cult PT

We don't know if the band can actually recruit

Second question: Explain why NPOM's role had the Town wincon originally, and then it was struck through and replaced by the band's wincon if he wasn't recruited mid-game.

What we can't know is whether it was a

recruit

or some other mechanic.

I don't even understand the argument you\re presenting, so I cannot respond properly

we don't know if the band winning causes the other factions to lose or if it's immaterial for the other factions

I think it's OBVIOUS that if they are alive at ENDGAME it means someone else won, and thy win WITH that "someone else".

On the other hand, if they reach 50% if the players alive the game proptky ends, so OBVIOUSLY nobody else wins (unless they already achieved their wincon, ex: the Eliminator who had already won)

No, it's not obvious, nothing is obvious.

Are you kidding me?? Like I have utmost respect for you, so I won't try to respond in the same usual manner I would to many others, but seriously? Can you think of another interpretation of "you win if you're alive at end game"? Can you think of another interpretation for "you win if you achieve parity with everyone else"??

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

I'm unwilling to post my rolecard and get banned. Instead I have to tell you to go fuck yourself. There is no such thing as a slip.

lolol

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

maybe the game is over and town wins if the cult wins we need answers from Baker

[TiphaineDeath]

Except, clearly in this game, groupscum were recruitable.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

thats true

but there's no gurantee the last groupscum has been recruited.

in fact if the last groupscum has been recruited, shouldnt cult sell him out to us so we can all win

we need answers from Baker

[Gamma Emerald]

I think some cults don’t have a PT
I was part of one that didn’t have one once, but it had a special wincon that was announced to me
So I think if there is no PT the wincon con change would at least be communicated (otherwise that becomes a bit of a lie-by-omission)

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

@Baker we need answers about NPOM's win con thanks <3

[Grendel]

I have thoughts, but im not sure how to coherently put them onto text.

Also, I asked baker if a PR looses its power upon getting recruited. He says they retain original powers. So PRs with confirmable actions arent clears here.

[Grendel]

If cult can win with town, and scum are eliminated totally rn then this should be GG. But Baker didn't announce GG. Soo...

Also in that scenario there is atleast one scum left on the roster rn and cult should just claim so we can narrow the PoE down. Even if its not their leader, just the recruits, that would be a big help.

Maybe that's stating the obvious idk haha

[TiphaineDeath]

Yeah, honestly whoever is cult right now probably serves their wincondition best in either scenario by claiming. Scum will never shoot you, and if we believe you then town never lynches you either, and you make us all winning the game much easier.

[Bambi Jay]

I go for a day and a half and hear we have a cult. I thought that was a meme claim earlier but is this for real?

[davesaz]

There is apparently a band which is functionally similar to a cult, if you look closely at the flips.

[Bambi Jay]

Hmm.

Maybe one of my abilities was to screw over the cult instead then.

Spell out the cult wincon for me would ya? I also saw Almost claim reverse Jester so there's that.

[davesaz]

It's right there in the flip.

[Bambi Jay]

I don't wanna click on the spoiler tab on my phone because it always cuts part of the role pm off. Literally to read my role pm I gotta quote it separately.

Pretty please?

[TiphaineDeath]

I think the lack of the pitter-patter of little cultist feet coming to my doorstep this morning tells me everything I need to know about whether they are town aligned or not. It's gotta be pook or lav today :/.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

we need baker to give us an answer.

you cant seriously think im a cult leader dude

[TiphaineDeath]

Given your personality, I really, REALLY can.

[TiphaineDeath]

Though it could also be Bambi I guess :/.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

nah im not crazy enough to straight up open-cult from d1 bro

i mean i wish i was that crazy

but im like not

id seriously need to be on shrooms or something

[Grendel]

Yeah, honestly whoever is cult right now probably serves their wincondition best in either scenario by claiming. Scum will never shoot you, and if we believe you then town never lynches you either, and you make us all winning the game much easier.

Tipain sounds like uninformed townie struggling in the dark from his posting today, and EoD6. I feel like he has to be town.

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nah im not crazy enough to straight up open-cult from d1 bro

i mean i wish i was that crazy

but im like not

id seriously need to be on shrooms or something

Pookie is wild enough based off what I've seen this game that I dont think that its impossible hes cult. I wouldnt rule him out.

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Gamma actully sounded kind informed when he was defending me EoD6, and I cant recall ever playing a game where Gamma hard defended me like that.

Idk if both scum would try to take the high road in the Rude Vs me from yesterday like that, (Other scum would be Drew).

However i recall Gamma having some kinda role pm slip with another townie which would be a really weird thing for him to fake claim as scum. So idk where gamma falls. I think i saw something that pointed away from him being cult last night, but now i cant find it.

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I dont know if touching lavender today is a good idea. I have reason to believe shes not mafia. As far as the cult thing goes... that im not so sure of.

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Im going to look into No Power's interactions to see if it clears/darkens some folks. Im surprised nobody else felt inclined to do that before now.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

i dont think lavender can be the cult leader because if she was she probly recruits me right

i am so nice

who wouldn't recruit me into their cult?

someone who is not nice

thats who

[Grendel]

ill put it this way:

if i wanted to win as 50s claimed role i’d town the fuck out of my slot and then claim doc?

I was thinking this too btw

I would've expected him to try and play hyper town w/ a win con like that.

[Grendel]

i dont think lavender can be the cult leader because if she was she probly recruits me right

i am so nice

who wouldn't recruit me into their cult?

someone who is not nice

thats who

If you're cult you're self-implicating yourself by openly saying you would expect to be culted

[Grendel]

I could see Bambi being recruited into a cult for sure. She's been leaning in hard on her role actions in thread over game solving for days now.