Mini Normal 2170: Stuff I’m Listening To [Game Over]

[the worst]

should've just had a n4 ic instead tbh

[Gamma Emerald]

Btw I’m actively avoiding games with NM now : )

[Thestatusquo]

like bruh if by some slim unlikely chance you're town this game I want you to take a long hard look at your town game because it is uhhhh not good.

No, if this is your town game it is very very very bad.

I'll talk to you OOG after this game is over if you want if you're town. Don't ever mistake winrate for playskill.

I stand by both of those statements 100%. You did not play well.

[Thestatusquo]

Btw I’m actively avoiding games with NM now : )

I believe he should not be allowed to play mafia if he plays like this. It's not playing the game.

[Gamma Emerald]

Horrifying play from whichever of you is town.

Bulge played like garbage and you let him win. Unbefuckinglievable.

Bulge was town

[The Bulge]

I see I need to not post before reading. But I am beyond upset about this. Bulge what the fuck was that play?

obviously I fucked up pretty embarrassingly with the outworld push, but I don't think I did anything super wrong in the last few phases. I'd accept it if you think not targeting the IC last night was a misplay but I stand by my decision for the reasons I gave. no hard feelings on my end, I hope you feel the same.

[Gamma Emerald]

Also now I realize why schadd and panzer fucking hate traitor

[Thestatusquo]

Horrifying play from whichever of you is town.

Bulge played like garbage and you let him win. Unbefuckinglievable.

Bulge was town

Yes when I made this post I did not yet realize what had happened wrt the traitor.

[The Bulge]

as frustrating as this game was I enjoyed myself. if i were the final miselim I'd probably be more salty rn but that's me.

[Gamma Emerald]

Honestly I think the reviewers massively underrated the potential to fuck up the game the scumteam had.

[Thestatusquo]

I see I need to not post before reading. But I am beyond upset about this. Bulge what the fuck was that play?

obviously I fucked up pretty embarrassingly with the outworld push, but I don't think I did anything super wrong in the last few phases. I'd accept it if you think not targeting the IC last night was a misplay but I stand by my decision for the reasons I gave. no hard feelings on my end, I hope you feel the same.

I think not protecting the IC is really horrifyingly bad play. I understand your logic for doing what you did but I think you got too fancy and out-thought yourself. Obviously no hard feelings, its a game and we thought we were on different sides while we were screaming at each other.

[Umlaut]

From the scum PT:

our ascetic modifier literally doesnt do anything against any of the TPRs

checker and neo can both find us

theres an IC and a JK

and we only have 2 scum essentially lol

I wanted to address at least the first thing in this post: As I was putting this setup together, I originally just had an unmodified Jailkeeper. In that version there would be an obvious, direct benefit to the Ascetic modifier, because it means you can't be jailed. I then made the Jailkeeper Loyal because, since he can't actually jail Mafia to stop them from killing, it seemed unfair and unfun for him to

think

he could do so.

So, in spirit, the Ascetic modifier was the

true

reason you couldn't be jailed, and the Loyalty modifier was just informing the Jailkeeper of that. I do appreciate how odd that combination must have looked to you from within the game, though.

[Thestatusquo]

Wait what happened n3 exactly? Did the scum actually no kill or does loyal not work the way I thought it does?

[MURDERCAT]

Bullet proof traitor

[Thestatusquo]

Ah. :/ That seems really strong.

[The Bulge]

I'm glad you feel the same as I had every faith you would. and yea getting too fancy and out-thinking myself happens a lot when i role TPR, plus I was full blown paranoia mode after the quick no elim and thought for sure i was about to be set up for the winning miselim.

[MURDERCAT]

It's worse than a goon

[Umlaut]

If it's any consolation to those of you who were upset with his play, N_M will not be in any of the games I run going forward.

[The Bulge]

So, in spirit, the Ascetic modifier was the true reason you couldn't be jailed, and the Loyalty modifier was just informing the Jailkeeper of that. I do appreciate how odd that combination must have looked to you from within the game, though.

this is super interesting design theory

[Thestatusquo]

it would have been interesting if you had protected outworldER though, since I had pretty much confirmed in my mind that you were town by the setup so we would have gone into the day with an IC and me thinking the scum team was gamma/pooky/the worst. We would have had to deal with the false clear on kasu though so we probably would have still lost.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

it just felt weird that the game had 2 investigative roles that could "semi-find" us and the town only had to kill 2 scum to win.

On top of that the town had an IC that had 0 chance of being elim'd and a protective role that could keep the IC alive.

Our ascetic modifier didn't really do anything except make us findable to the checker?

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

it would have been interesting if you had protected outworldER though, since I had pretty much confirmed in my mind that you were town by the setup so we would have gone into the day with an IC and me thinking the scum team was gamma/pooky/the worst. We would have had to deal with the false clear on kasu though so we probably would have still lost.

no you wouldn't have needed to deal with Kasu at all - the setup said the mafia lost if the 2 ascetics died.

[Thestatusquo]

If it's any consolation to those of you who were upset with his play, N_M will not be in any of the games I run going forward.

I know I expressed frustration with you in PMs for not replacing him earlier but I understand the decision you made. You and we shouldn't be put in that situation in the first place though, it's not your fault at all.

In the future I would recommend adding something in your rules to preempt people playing like this in the future. My rule set says the following:

"I will be especially harsh on players who are prod dodging. I will count posts with little or no game contact, or a pattern of posts with little or no game content as a prod dodge and will replace you out of my game. I expect activity and I expect everyone to be playing. See rule 1 about replacing out if you are not having fun or do not have the time to play."

and I think its a good rule to have just in case you need to deal with something like this.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

It's worse than a goon

literally the scum team was worse than a team of 3 goons lol

[MURDERCAT]

Yup