Death Curse

[Noraa]

Well let's hope that Gloria ends the game then

yes. I do hope she ends game. then this'll all be p good.

[Noraa]

Pooky > Fidget

nah Pooky is higher up than fidget imo.

[Noraa]

This adorable puppy has more scum equity than Noraa.

it too cute to have scum equity.
*puts it on my throne*
we both haz zero scum equity

[Noraa]

Uno is the only person who doesn't want the scroll, that's a good enough reason
I'm not worried Pooky scum wins anymore because Fidget understands the situation I was worried about

I can get behind this thought process. I've been weirded out by that as well tho I do admit, fidget also ... does that. Like Fidget pushes Uno and Pooky. Uno pushes Fidget and Pooky. I think that alone means there's one scum in there.
Pooky doesn't really push either that much which is why I feel like he is p towny. Like scum would be panicking and pushing other people but pooky just sitting here calmly munching on some Doritos.

[Gloria Cleary]

This is for you @Noraa.

It really think it’s neither but in case I’m wrong, I have some slight paranoia over Tayl0r scroll. I think it’s just Owno though.

And I’m hoping this will make up for my bad reads on Shelley/Titus. In one of my first posts, I promised to be useless early game and other than helping to get the wagon off of you, I pretty much lived up to it.

[MURDERCAT]

It depends on where you are in the order, if you think you are making it to the final 4 you would just patiently wait.

[Gloria Cleary]

Uno is the only person who doesn't want the scroll, that's a good enough reason
I'm not worried Pooky scum wins anymore because Fidget understands the situation I was worried about

I can get behind this thought process. I've been weirded out by that as well tho I do admit, fidget also ... does that. Like Fidget pushes Uno and Pooky. Uno pushes Fidget and Pooky. I think that alone means there's one scum in there.
Pooky doesn't really push either that much which is why I feel like he is p towny. Like scum would be panicking and pushing other people but pooky just sitting here calmly munching on some Doritos.

Both were chill about getting the scroll but it’s also Owno’s suspicious trajectory on Flea and the way he tried to ram through their wagon, is suspicious as fuck.

It didn’t sound like a genuine townie thought. Also, he was pretty insistent about Flea passing it to either Pooky or Fidget but then he doesn’t seem particularly eager to take either one out himself. It isn’t AI to freak out on getting the scroll early game but it definitely is now. No townie should be that terrified of it at endgame and both Pooky and Fidget seemed eager to get the scrolls, which is town indicative, because last scum obviously can’t use it.

[Noraa]

I think it’s just Owno though.

agreed and also AWWWWW

<- Noraa coming to find gloria .... and then falling :/

[Noraa]

both Pooky and Fidget seemed eager to get the scrolls, which is town indicative, because last scum obviously can’t use it.

Yeah I want to hear an explanation for this from uno asap.

[Gloria Cleary]

It depends on where you are in the order, if you think you are making it to the final 4 you would just patiently wait.

Well, I’m still open to arguments for either Pooky or Fidget but I really think it’s Owno. I just don’t see why town!how is so worried atp. I think town would be chill about getting the scroll if they know they’re not going to get to the end.

That’s why I pushed for it when some of you couldn’t tell I was obvtown yet. I either wanted to be obvtown in the f4 or get to scroll my strongest sr. It would have sucked to go out in the third slot and while I had faith in Fidget not to scroll me, I was still a bit annoyed that Flea was suggesting that.

[Gloria Cleary]

I think it’s just Owno though.

agreed and also AWWWWW

<- Noraa coming to find gloria .... and then falling :/

<3

[Gloria Cleary]

Yeah I know, I mean if I get the scroll next then I would have to choose between Pooky/Fidget.

Oh you would choose Pooky

Probably but I'd still have to think about it, Pooky is not shelly.

Better they both die and the responsibility is not mine.

See this is what bothers me. Owno hardpushes both Pooky and Fidget but has zero desire to do it himself. That really doesn’t make a whole lot of sense from a town perspective.

[Noraa]

I really think it’s Owno

this is where I'm at atm too. Before flea passed, I was already like "Uno is prolly the last scum"

[Noraa]

That really doesn’t make a whole lot of sense from a town perspective.

its a weird argument cuz the later in the game ... the more responsibility

[Gloria Cleary]

The point at this stage is town needs to cannibalise itself. There's a deepwolf.

This is why I'm telling people to criticise their reads and do so publicly so holes can be found, questions raised and discussion is stirred. Hopefully forcing scum to slip up.

We don't know that. You could be scum wanting to amuse yourself by forcing us to question everything we think for the next few days.

If you are not scum, then Pooky is my call because he has spent the majority of the game tunneling town!Taylor, he tried to defend shelly based on vote count analysis and maybe Fred was telling the truth that I was wrong to trust him. If not him then Fidget is my next weakest read, but I don't think she is scum.

First the bolded. Does this seriously sound like a townie thought? Why would final scum!Flea ever want to do that?

And he has a clear order of Pooky > Fidget but then he doesn’t know or want the responsibility? He continues to pretty much waffle on that.

[Gloria Cleary]

That really doesn’t make a whole lot of sense from a town perspective.

its a weird argument cuz the later in the game ... the more responsibility

Yeah exactly. What he’s saying makes sense earlier in the game but not now.

[Gloria Cleary]

The point at this stage is town needs to cannibalise itself. There's a deepwolf.

This is why I'm telling people to criticise their reads and do so publicly so holes can be found, questions raised and discussion is stirred. Hopefully forcing scum to slip up.

We don't know that. You could be scum wanting to amuse yourself by forcing us to question everything we think for the next few days.

If you are not scum, then Pooky is my call because he has spent the majority of the game tunneling town!Taylor, he tried to defend shelly based on vote count analysis and maybe Fred was telling the truth that I was wrong to trust him. If not him then Fidget is my next weakest read, but I don't think she is scum.

First the bolded. Does this seriously sound like a townie thought? Why would final scum!Flea ever want to do that?

And he has a clear order of Pooky > Fidget but then he doesn’t know or want the responsibility? He continues to pretty much waffle on that.

I read this as an attempt to shut down what Flea is suggesting. He is going all out to discredit a clearly smart suggestion.

[Gloria Cleary]

im pretty sure hectic would end the game if flea was scum

and theres no way scum!flea doesnt just concede the game

I'd hope they would, but it's not impossible that's what is happening.

Which one of Pooky/Owno is making sense here? Not Owno. Not with only one scum left in the game.

[Gloria Cleary]

My reads are the same as before. High confidence in Bell and MURDERCAT being town. Think that Gloria is town too.

Noraa is probably town but I have a long standing paranoia of her that I don't want to deal with unless I make it to final 5 and have to

. I trust Pooky the least.

This unwillingness to townlock the most obvious townie in the game is wild.

[Gloria Cleary]

this is worrisome. if u and I end up in limlo and I die bc of this unexplained "paranoia", I'm actually going to throw a fit.

I think that Uno>Fidget in scumminess. This is a p clear attempt to ... idk "justify" future SRs on me which is actually shockingly scary considering I am legit the most IC level clear there is in this game.

Ok, I need to stop reading into stuff so much. It's leading me all over the place. At this rate, imma literally tear the whole Poe apart.

I don't think my paranoia is going to convince anyone to kill you except possibly me while it remains unexplained. If we are both in limlo then I will re-evaluate all players, I'm not going to be lazy with it. But you are not IC level clear.

This reads looks omgussy. I really don’t believe he is actually paranoiing on Noraa at all.

[Noraa]

I really don’t believe he is actually paranoiing on Noraa at all.

I mean ... I've been paranoid of murder, bell, and pooky before so I'm not one to talk but yes I did find that a lil worrisome :/

[UNOwen]

Thanks for waiting Gloria (and I'm glad I asked since Hectic showed up straight away this time).

Clearly I'm biased but IMO UNO!town over Pooky/Fidget is not that difficult a call and I'll explain why in my next post. First though:

Uno I think what you need to explain is why you so desperately want to make it to tomorrow when we would just vote you immediately anyway?

The answer to this, and all of Gloria's points about my play this phase is that I am the only player left who would be willing to shoot Noraa before Bell/MURDERCAT/Gloria. I'd stake the game on the latter three being town, but I still think there's a small but real chance of Noraa scum that no one else is worried about so I want to be around in a potential final phase in case I need to make that argument. Obv this plan is in tatters now because one of my top towns has got the scroll but that was the thinking.

Yes I wanted to shut down Flea's idea of tearing down the town block. Because that only muddies the waters, which is not necessary when we have two players that are not widely trusted and probably contain scum. Follow my plan and worst case scenario we reached endgame with only the four consensus town reads left (because as I keep saying, I would clearly be first to get the scroll if I made it to final five). If and only if that happens is it time to question everything.

[MURDERCAT]

The secret thing we aren't talking about is that the 4th player in the final 4 (the one with the scroll) does actually need to decide who to shoot in the town block. I was hoping it would be a choice between {Gloria, Bell, Noraa} but now it will be something else.

[UNOwen]

I know self-meta is sketchy, but the difference is so stark I hope you will understand why I am raising it.

Consider UNOwen: I play one game at a time. Only one non-newbie game completed since I created this account. No play for years before that, though I guess you only have my word. Only one scum game, in which I did alright but was worried about getting executed from literally my first post and pretty pessimistic about my own position throughout.

Consider shelly: This is only the second game I've played against her but I'm sure you have picked up as much as I have that she plays a lot and is a confident and aggresive scum player.

Does it seem plausible that between the two of us we cook up a bussing strategy that would rely on me being the one to carry the team to victory?
Remember that shelly was the one who was arguing in bad faith, never me so I was always going to win provided people actually read our respective arguments.

Note that Titus also jumped on the wrong side of this bus with her own bad faith attack on me.
Note that when MUSH asked for my top scum read instead of going for Titus my answer was that I'd prefer DGB.

Note that I wanted to policy execute Lapsa, and pressed for shelly to be scrolled at every stage beyond the first.

Note that at the start of phase 2, I wanted shelly given the scroll but was also fine with cursing Fred - never once argued for looking elsewhere or did anything that could be even remotely interpreted as helpful to him.

Consider all of this, and realise that in order for me to be scum I have to have decided to ruthlessly bus all of my team mates and to try and go for a solo win against a solid town block and a raft of town read players where I have near the lowest presence in thread and was the least trusted player on day 1 (according to Toog's voting system).

Then look through the mafia pt from my newbie game (https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=90&t=83350 - it's only five pages) and consider if the player you see there, really has the confidence, skill or arrogance to attempt that.

If you believe the answer is yes, then a) idk whether to be flattered or insulted and b) you're completely wrong.

[UNOwen]

The secret thing we aren't talking about is that the 4th player in the final 4 (the one with the scroll) does actually need to decide who to shoot in the town block. I was hoping it would be a choice between {Gloria, Bell, Noraa} but now it will be something else.

Exactly. If not Pooky/Fidget and it goes all the way to the end then current thread opinion suggests Noraa is the one who stays standing, but I'd be much more comfortable if I expected a choice between you/Bell/Noraa to end with you and Bell as the final two.