Death Curse

[Noraa]

I mean I dont see this coming from scum cuz telling everyone they are gonna kill the IC is .... very TSTBS to say the least.
At the same time, it seems so ridiculous that I feel like scum might actually pull a gambit like this - trying to convince us to let you live .... in this manner *gestures vaguely*

Murder, if we let this live, you'll need to prepare a new final two people in case he truly is town that wants me dead. I see a town!UNO more than a scum!UNO here cuz this is all ridiculous if he is scum and prolly the worst scum play possible in this situation....

[MURDERCAT]

Well I don't mind that either of course, I mean it is strictly better for me mathematically.
But I think that if there is scum in Noraa/Bell I always get shot 3rd instead.
I could take the final scroll instead of Pooky if you trust that I will at least explore all of the possibilities when the time comes.

[MURDERCAT]

We aren't letting uno live unfortunately, but maybe that situation is amicable

[UNOwen]

Well I don't mind that either of course, I mean it is strictly better for me mathematically.

But I think that if there is scum in Noraa/Bell I always get shot 3rd instead.

I could take the final scroll instead of Pooky if you trust that I will at least explore all of the possibilities when the time comes.

That's what I think too.
Final Five MURDERCAT/Bell/Noraa/Pooky/Fidget
Pooky and Fidget have to die to rule out the likeliest possibilities.
Then you probably die. But I think the correct call if it reaches that point is Noraa cursed.

I mean, Gloria is out, probably me next so my plan has failed and it doesn't really matter. All I can hope is that scum is in Pooky/Fidget and my paranoia was wrong.

[MURDERCAT]

Well when you flip (just assuming everyone is town at this point because there's no point otherwise) we will keep it in mind.
I'm ok with tomorrow being Pooky > MC > ? where I am probably shooting fidget but at least I would be going over all the isos again

[Noraa]

But I think that if there is scum in Noraa/Bell I always get shot 3rd instead.

I mean I dont think bell is scum and I'm IC clear so it should be 100% clear. Murder, if ur wavering on me, we can always replace me with you or pooky. Both you guys should be clear too.

[MURDERCAT]

Honestly in that final 5 I would be really surprised if it's not Pooky.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

Okay, Owno, Pooky, Fidget: tell me why it isn’t you: Go.

Why I'm not scum:

Shelly tried to pocket me
Titus tried to yeet me multiple times
Titus passed scroll to Taylor in hopes of getting Taylor to scroll me
DGB tried to buddy up to me immediately upon replacing into the game.
Fred got upset that I was getting townread and tried to get people to not townread me.

[MURDERCAT]

I'm not wavering on you Noraa, I'm saying that if I have the last scroll I or whoever it is probably shouldn't just shoot blindly.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

Honestly in that final 5 I would be really surprised if it's not Pooky.

I am happy to get the scroll tommorrow and get to shoot somebody for Queen and Country

[MURDERCAT]

Who do you think it is in that final 5 Pooky? me? or fidget?

[Noraa]

Honestly in that final 5 I would be really surprised if it's not Pooky.

I doesn't think so.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

I don't think it matters if we all agree to send Bell/Noraa to final 2

honestly I'm quite sad that my Gloria/Noraa team is impossible now for F2

[Noraa]

honestly I'm quite sad that my Gloria/Noraa team is impossible now for F2

same but ig I dont blame flea.

[Noraa]

I wish gloria lived

[MURDERCAT]

Ok well we could just vote fidget tomorrow then and fidget can choose who to give the final scroll to.

[Noraa]

I'm not wavering on you Noraa, I'm saying that if I have the last scroll I or whoever it is probably shouldn't just shoot blindly.

Yeah, if it comes to that, i'll be pretty worried. I hope the game ends before that.

[Flea The Magician]

You know something, I thought maybe I overreacted and was just having a cruddy mental health day so come back to try and salvage a bit, then I find this.

I feel really bad now that I upset Flea though. That’s the one thing that will take away from hopefully town victory scroll.

I did it in part to hopefully piss them off into giving it to me.

You intentionally acted to piss me off, you intentionally withheld information from me and wasn't discussing crap with me, you just want the scroll so you can be the big damned hero. Not only that, you then GLOATED that my "read" was wrong.

As far as I'm concerned, you've played against WinCon. You've actively worked against the town so you can have your moment of power.

I'm thoroughly out at this stage. Your apologies are not accepted, nor wanted.

You are laughably bad at this game.

Oh well do accept my most gracious apologises that my ability to play this game pales in sheer comparison you obviously godlike ability. Please, I beg of you to forgive me for my substandard ability to hunt scum, find town, derive logical inconsistencies, exaggerate cases. I humbly apologise for the number of barriers I face in communication and interaction, the fibromyalgia and medication that clouds my vision and stops me playing as much as I'd want to.

VOTE: Gloria
Go for it. be the town hero, I'm out. Personal attackers and elitists belong in the bin.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

aww cmon Flea

don't be upset pls

we will win this together

<3

[MURDERCAT]

Honestly I'd be upset if I were flea too.
We will win it for you

[Fidget]

Honestly, my call at the moment is to go Fidget > Gloria/UNOwen.

Freds hurt switch is still in my mind, and gloria seems far too damn keen to have this scroll. UNOwens refusal to locktown Noraa matches the scum MO this game.

I’m town and I think Fidget is also. Yeah, I did want it because unlike you, I’d actually take out someone who might be scum. You are laughably bad at this game.

Anyway, if you actually want to be town hero, you give it to Owno because I think he’s the last scum but hey, you do you. :lol:

???????????????????

We have taken out 4/5 scum. The last one is theoretically the hardest to find because now we're left to basically the townread players. I don't blame anyone for not seeing who it is.

You are laughably bad at this game.

Seriously?

[Fidget]

Told you Flea.

Okay, Owno, Pooky, Fidget: tell me why it isn’t you: Go.

If your intention was to taunt Flea into giving you the scroll, what is this supposed to be?

Scum perhaps tried to setup a deepwolf by setting up the 1v1 between shelly and Uno

It's plausible enough.

You intentionally acted to piss me off, you intentionally withheld information from me and wasn't discussing crap with me, you just want the scroll so you can be the big damned hero. Not only that, you then GLOATED that my "read" was wrong.

Yes.

[Fidget]

Spoiler:

I know self-meta is sketchy, but the difference is so stark I hope you will understand why I am raising it.

Consider UNOwen: I play one game at a time. Only one non-newbie game completed since I created this account. No play for years before that, though I guess you only have my word. Only one scum game, in which I did alright but was worried about getting executed from literally my first post and pretty pessimistic about my own position throughout.

Consider shelly: This is only the second game I've played against her but I'm sure you have picked up as much as I have that she plays a lot and is a confident and aggresive scum player.

Does it seem plausible that between the two of us we cook up a bussing strategy that would rely on me being the one to carry the team to victory?
Remember that shelly was the one who was arguing in bad faith, never me so I was always going to win provided people actually read our respective arguments.

Note that Titus also jumped on the wrong side of this bus with her own bad faith attack on me.
Note that when MUSH asked for my top scum read instead of going for Titus my answer was that I'd prefer DGB.

Note that I wanted to policy execute Lapsa, and pressed for shelly to be scrolled at every stage beyond the first.

Note that at the start of phase 2, I wanted shelly given the scroll but was also fine with cursing Fred - never once argued for looking elsewhere or did anything that could be even remotely interpreted as helpful to him.

Consider all of this, and realise that in order for me to be scum I have to have decided to ruthlessly bus all of my team mates and to try and go for a solo win against a solid town block and a raft of town read players where I have near the lowest presence in thread and was the least trusted player on day 1 (according to Toog's voting system).

Then look through the mafia pt from my newbie game (https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=90&t=83350 - it's only five pages) and consider if the player you see there, really has the confidence, skill or arrogance to attempt that.

If you believe the answer is yes, then a) idk whether to be flattered or insulted and b) you're completely wrong.

Actually, perhaps the intention was not for you to be the carry. Maybe you were supposed to be bussed. I am certain the initial plan was not "Get UNOwen to deepwolf" if you are scum, though.

You make a fair point though that you played very much against your teammates, and them to you, in the case you are scum. You would have been pretty ruthless to them.

I think that in my case and your case, we played decently counter to our team. I think Pooky and Murderkitty were better at assisting scum this game, Pooky for being good with nuking Pooky/Taylor/Noraa + defending Fred, and Murderkitty for ALSO supporting that nuke, trying to get Noraa killed for a while, and wanting LLD killed late as well.

I've been thinking a lot about Titus' vote on UNO as a counterwagon to shelly. It was really bad, and I struggle to understand why she made it. A desperate attempt at avoiding S>T>S, or is she trying to spew false associatives?

Mm. I've been considering Pooky a large amount because I don't think it's UNOwen a lot of the time. My Pooky read is completely based off his character rather than his play, so I find it more vulnerable to being inaccurate. Murderkitty I also consider because he worked to get many townies killed and also attempted to kill some more around the area where he felt strong scum was probably snowing us.

I think my next homework is checking out Pooky's arguments, so I can get a better idea of his play.

[Gloria Cleary]

You know something, I thought maybe I overreacted and was just having a cruddy mental health day so come back to try and salvage a bit, then I find this.

I feel really bad now that I upset Flea though. That’s the one thing that will take away from hopefully town victory scroll.

I did it in part to hopefully piss them off into giving it to me.

You intentionally acted to piss me off, you intentionally withheld information from me and wasn't discussing crap with me, you just want the scroll so you can be the big damned hero. Not only that, you then GLOATED that my "read" was wrong.

As far as I'm concerned, you've played against WinCon. You've actively worked against the town so you can have your moment of power.

I'm thoroughly out at this stage. Your apologies are not accepted, nor wanted.

You are laughably bad at this game.

Oh well do accept my most gracious apologises that my ability to play this game pales in sheer comparison you obviously godlike ability. Please, I beg of you to forgive me for my substandard ability to hunt scum, find town, derive logical inconsistencies, exaggerate cases. I humbly apologise for the number of barriers I face in communication and interaction, the fibromyalgia and medication that clouds my vision and stops me playing as much as I'd want to.

VOTE: Gloria
Go for it. be the town hero, I'm out. Personal attackers and elitists belong in the bin.

This is for you, @Flea. Please tell me you forgive me. I really don’t want to hurt anyone




except obviously scum.

You obviously missed this post. I also thought you should give the scroll to Owno not Fidget and you played against wincon too by suggesting Fidget possibly scroll me, when you know that everyone else wanted me in the top four. I was also annoyed because it seemed pretty damned obvious to me that there’s absolutely no way you could have been reading my posts and still sr me. Again, I’m extremely sorry you’re so upset and I hurt you. That part of it wasn’t intentional. It’s completely up to you whether you choose to believe that or not.

[Gloria Cleary]

Told you Flea.

Okay, Owno, Pooky, Fidget: tell me why it isn’t you: Go.

If your intention was to taunt Flea into giving you the scroll, what is this supposed to be?

Scum perhaps tried to setup a deepwolf by setting up the 1v1 between shelly and Uno

It's plausible enough.

You intentionally acted to piss me off, you intentionally withheld information from me and wasn't discussing crap with me, you just want the scroll so you can be the big damned hero. Not only that, you then GLOATED that my "read" was wrong.

Yes.

I already had it by then so your point is . . . ?

And . . . it obviously was or the game would have ended with my receiving the scroll. So am I missing something because it reads to me as if we are in total agreement?

Should I have been nicer about how I went about it? Obviously yes, which is WHY I sincerely apologized to Flea. I unfortunately can’t force them to accept it. I suppose it’s possible that they and maybe you as well? have completely misconstrued what I actually meant. The fact they wanted you to possibly give it to me, meant that they still against all clear evidence to the contrary wrongly sr me, or they wouldn’t have been considering that.