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Post Post #2175 (ISO) » Tue Nov 17, 2020 10:58 am

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In post 2174, Flavor Leaf wrote:So many other people on the Noraa wagon, but I’m being singled out is why I have little care for this conversation. It’s just survivalism, regardless of alignment. I’m not like 100% set on even fading the slot today, there’s just a large wagon on someone I am okay with fading Day 1 because I think there’s a decent shot of them being scum.
i definitely dont think she's survivalistic, she wont even vote for the other big wagon. :eek:
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Post Post #2176 (ISO) » Tue Nov 17, 2020 10:58 am

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In post 2172, Cabd wrote:Ffrrysyrmy help I think leafie just mind melded with me and I haven't even laid a single hint of it down.
If you’re town, I’d be afraid of it too, but luckily for you I am town.

If you’re scum, you’re trying to pocket me.

Does this help ease your mind?
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Post Post #2177 (ISO) » Tue Nov 17, 2020 10:59 am

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In post 2171, Fermis Flames wrote:
In post 2156, Cobra Kai wrote:Who do you think pocketed you fferyllt?

I’m also not surprised at all at Flavor Leafs newfound scumread of me.
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Post Post #2178 (ISO) » Tue Nov 17, 2020 10:59 am

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In post 2169, Flavor Leaf wrote:
In post 2154, unwnd wrote:
In post 2146, Flavor Leaf wrote:I’ve already stated i think it’s more likely only 1 of you are scum, so i don’t get what you’re pushing with that “not a good look” thing.
I just think that's really convenient to line up your reads like that. I think the only relation me and Noraa have is disliking you, but you're treating us within the similar range. I don't like this and I find your reasoning to still be half-hearted, especially with 'well it's d1 so I'm not gonna worry if I'm wrong I'm wrong'. There's nothing inherently bad about having confidence, but I seriously don't know where it comes from and why I'm just
supposed
to believe it.

It’s not my fault you guys see that
I’m confident
.

Me being confident and me being confident on my Day 1 reads do not have to be together as you are pushing them to be.

You think I’m far more solid on the reads than I actually am,
and it feels incredibly contrived or overreactions by both of you.
Alright but don't you see the problem here, you just said 'I am confident', then in the 3rd sentence said 'I'm not actually not that confident'. Which is it? This is my own interpretation of confidence but I find when people are sure they want something out of it. Look at Cabd and his confidence towards Cakez. It's been blood sweat and tears. Not all players need to display it in that way but if I felt really strongly about something I would like to either confirm my suspicions or start leading arguments that I think can convince others to vote with me. So far, I think you've mostly sat here and said you're confident but frankly your arguments don't give me that vibe. I'm starting to think you don't believe your own bullshit as well.
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Post Post #2179 (ISO) » Tue Nov 17, 2020 10:59 am

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In post 2175, Battle Mage wrote:
In post 2174, Flavor Leaf wrote:So many other people on the Noraa wagon, but I’m being singled out is why I have little care for this conversation. It’s just survivalism, regardless of alignment. I’m not like 100% set on even fading the slot today, there’s just a large wagon on someone I am okay with fading Day 1 because I think there’s a decent shot of them being scum.
i definitely dont think she's survivalistic, she wont even vote for the other big wagon. :eek:
Different tactic. She’s creating noise to give herself content to work with, and she doesn’t need to put the vote there yet because she’s still got time.
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Post Post #2180 (ISO) » Tue Nov 17, 2020 11:00 am

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Oh extremely. I got a random paranoia ping at a post gulitinna or whatever made a while back but didn't voice it but you clearly got pinged somewhere on there too.
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Post Post #2181 (ISO) » Tue Nov 17, 2020 11:00 am

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In post 2179, Flavor Leaf wrote:
In post 2175, Battle Mage wrote:
In post 2174, Flavor Leaf wrote:So many other people on the Noraa wagon, but I’m being singled out is why I have little care for this conversation. It’s just survivalism, regardless of alignment. I’m not like 100% set on even fading the slot today, there’s just a large wagon on someone I am okay with fading Day 1 because I think there’s a decent shot of them being scum.
i definitely dont think she's survivalistic, she wont even vote for the other big wagon. :eek:
Different tactic. She’s creating noise to give herself content to work with, and she doesn’t need to put the vote there yet because she’s still got time.
12 days. :igmeou:
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Post Post #2182 (ISO) » Tue Nov 17, 2020 11:02 am

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In post 2178, unwnd wrote:
In post 2169, Flavor Leaf wrote:
In post 2154, unwnd wrote:
In post 2146, Flavor Leaf wrote:I’ve already stated i think it’s more likely only 1 of you are scum, so i don’t get what you’re pushing with that “not a good look” thing.
I just think that's really convenient to line up your reads like that. I think the only relation me and Noraa have is disliking you, but you're treating us within the similar range. I don't like this and I find your reasoning to still be half-hearted, especially with 'well it's d1 so I'm not gonna worry if I'm wrong I'm wrong'. There's nothing inherently bad about having confidence, but I seriously don't know where it comes from and why I'm just
supposed
to believe it.

It’s not my fault you guys see that
I’m confident
.

Me being confident and me being confident on my Day 1 reads do not have to be together as you are pushing them to be.

You think I’m far more solid on the reads than I actually am,
and it feels incredibly contrived or overreactions by both of you.
Alright but don't you see the problem here, you just said 'I am confident', then in the 3rd sentence said 'I'm not actually not that confident'. Which is it? This is my own interpretation of confidence but I find when people are sure they want something out of it. Look at Cabd and his confidence towards Cakez. It's been blood sweat and tears. Not all players need to display it in that way but if I felt really strongly about something I would like to either confirm my suspicions or start leading arguments that I think can convince others to vote with me. So far, I think you've mostly sat here and said you're confident but frankly your arguments don't give me that vibe. I'm starting to think you don't believe your own bullshit as well.
Just because I can’t yet put it into words doesn’t mean I’m not confident. Cabd and I are different players as well, and I don’t think he should be that confident on Cakez, nor do I think he is as confident as he lets out to be with it.

I am confident this game, that doesn’t mean I have to have the whole scum team caught Day 1. I’m working on progressing my reads and evolving them, having each connection become more complex until the game makes more sense. Flips will need to happen because their are plateaus.
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Post Post #2183 (ISO) » Tue Nov 17, 2020 11:02 am

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In post 2172, Cabd wrote:Ffrrysyrmy help I think leafie just mind melded with me and I haven't even laid a single hint of it down.
Didn't this also happen earlier?

When spin's caught up I look forward to his thoughts about this. He agreed with your FL townlean a while back.

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Post Post #2184 (ISO) » Tue Nov 17, 2020 11:03 am

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Cabd why did you leave the cakes wagon? You were so sure of it.
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Post Post #2185 (ISO) » Tue Nov 17, 2020 11:03 am

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In post 2181, Battle Mage wrote:
In post 2179, Flavor Leaf wrote:
In post 2175, Battle Mage wrote:
In post 2174, Flavor Leaf wrote:So many other people on the Noraa wagon, but I’m being singled out is why I have little care for this conversation. It’s just survivalism, regardless of alignment. I’m not like 100% set on even fading the slot today, there’s just a large wagon on someone I am okay with fading Day 1 because I think there’s a decent shot of them being scum.
i definitely dont think she's survivalistic, she wont even vote for the other big wagon. :eek:
Different tactic. She’s creating noise to give herself content to work with, and she doesn’t need to put the vote there yet because she’s still got time.
12 days. :igmeou:

Day 1 deadline doesn’t need to be coincided with the actual deadline. I feel it should be based within the context of the game.
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Post Post #2186 (ISO) » Tue Nov 17, 2020 11:04 am

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In post 2184, ManWithNoName wrote:Cabd why did you leave the cakes wagon? You were so sure of it.
he was wagonning cakez for role related reasons.

hmm

maybe his role PM changed, or he was just lying? ;)
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Post Post #2187 (ISO) » Tue Nov 17, 2020 11:05 am

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In post 2185, Flavor Leaf wrote:
In post 2181, Battle Mage wrote:
In post 2179, Flavor Leaf wrote:
In post 2175, Battle Mage wrote:
In post 2174, Flavor Leaf wrote:So many other people on the Noraa wagon, but I’m being singled out is why I have little care for this conversation. It’s just survivalism, regardless of alignment. I’m not like 100% set on even fading the slot today, there’s just a large wagon on someone I am okay with fading Day 1 because I think there’s a decent shot of them being scum.
i definitely dont think she's survivalistic, she wont even vote for the other big wagon. :eek:
Different tactic. She’s creating noise to give herself content to work with, and she doesn’t need to put the vote there yet because she’s still got time.
12 days. :igmeou:

Day 1 deadline doesn’t need to be coincided with the actual deadline. I feel it should be based within the context of the game.
there's 22 players, it's page 85, BM needs a flip :lol:
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Post Post #2188 (ISO) » Tue Nov 17, 2020 11:05 am

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In post 2177, Cobra Kai wrote:
In post 2171, Fermis Flames wrote:
In post 2156, Cobra Kai wrote:Who do you think pocketed you fferyllt?

I’m also not surprised at all at Flavor Leafs newfound scumread of me.
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I don't want you to stand aside. I want enough interaction that I can figure out if this is...what's that term all the cool kids use...mindmeld, something more sinister, or both.

Would probably also help me figure this out if I knew who the hell you are. :hitoshrug:
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Post Post #2189 (ISO) » Tue Nov 17, 2020 11:05 am

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In post 2182, Flavor Leaf wrote:
In post 2178, unwnd wrote:
In post 2169, Flavor Leaf wrote:
In post 2154, unwnd wrote:
In post 2146, Flavor Leaf wrote:I’ve already stated i think it’s more likely only 1 of you are scum, so i don’t get what you’re pushing with that “not a good look” thing.
I just think that's really convenient to line up your reads like that. I think the only relation me and Noraa have is disliking you, but you're treating us within the similar range. I don't like this and I find your reasoning to still be half-hearted, especially with 'well it's d1 so I'm not gonna worry if I'm wrong I'm wrong'. There's nothing inherently bad about having confidence, but I seriously don't know where it comes from and why I'm just
supposed
to believe it.

It’s not my fault you guys see that
I’m confident
.

Me being confident and me being confident on my Day 1 reads do not have to be together as you are pushing them to be.

You think I’m far more solid on the reads than I actually am,
and it feels incredibly contrived or overreactions by both of you.
Alright but don't you see the problem here, you just said 'I am confident', then in the 3rd sentence said 'I'm not actually not that confident'. Which is it? This is my own interpretation of confidence but I find when people are sure they want something out of it. Look at Cabd and his confidence towards Cakez. It's been blood sweat and tears. Not all players need to display it in that way but if I felt really strongly about something I would like to either confirm my suspicions or start leading arguments that I think can convince others to vote with me. So far, I think you've mostly sat here and said you're confident but frankly your arguments don't give me that vibe. I'm starting to think you don't believe your own bullshit as well.
Just because I can’t yet put it into words doesn’t mean I’m not confident. Cabd and I are different players as well, and I don’t think he should be that confident on Cakez, nor do I think he is as confident as he lets out to be with it.

I am confident this game, that doesn’t mean I have to have the whole scum team caught Day 1. I’m working on progressing my reads and evolving them, having each connection become more complex until the game makes more sense. Flips will need to happen because their are plateaus.
Didn't you say that you think I could be scum with Cakez trying to protect him? ...Did something change with your Cakez read?

If you're an experienced player, you do know what FUD is right. All I see is FUD from you lol
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Post Post #2190 (ISO) » Tue Nov 17, 2020 11:06 am

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In post 35, Cobra Kai wrote:I’m not playing guess who. If I mainslip then great for you guys! But I’m intentionally playing a different style so meta wont so much good for you.
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Post Post #2191 (ISO) » Tue Nov 17, 2020 11:07 am

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In post 1255, Guillotina wrote:Cakez wagon feels LHF, I'm not voting there now.

I'm gonna ISO the other wagons.
In post 1398, Guillotina wrote:I'm definitely not voting Cakez today. The guy is getting pushed based on an evidence claim that Cabd cannot present due to site's rules.
In other words, if they cannot be presented they don't exist! Imagine if we could convict people based on non corroborated proof in real life! A lot more people would be in jail!

We gotta take his word for it? Like hell I will, I don't know this guy!

We either find real evidence to yeet Cakez or vote someone else.

Good night!
In post 1685, Guillotina wrote:
In post 1639, Noraa wrote:
In post 1394, Bell wrote:@cabd we could all easily be wrong. :P
This post pings scum.
Your post pings scum.

Not only because you didn't elaborate why in the same post, so the intention was not bring awareness but to shade, but it also raises some questions.

Do you think we could all not be easily wrong? If so, why?

What information do you have to assume all people could be right? And if you think everyone could be right why did you vetoed Sircakez yeet?

For the record: im not saying everyone could be right or wrong, im saying that Bell got a point and throwing shade at Bell for it is scummy.

VOTE: Noraa
In post 1896, Guillotina wrote:
In post 1765, Cabd wrote:I will self-vote tomorrow if I'm wrong, which will reveal my info in a mod-confirmed way and put us down two town plus whoever dies to night kill but whatever. At least you'll have all the info. And see exactly why I am doing what I am doing.


Cakez man I am sorry RNG fucked you over bud but like, we can hug after your team shoots me night one in the dead thread and make up and play footsies.
If you are this sure to bet your own life on it by compromising to self-vote. I'll bite.
If he flips green with an important ability, i'll be mad. Crown Prince level mad.

VOTE: SirCakez

It’s this trajectory for me. It looks like they know Cakez is town, but want you to push through it while it’s known they were against it, but then they jumped on both Noraa and Cakez. I think Noraa looks like a bus vote, but then it got hot, so they finally accepted they will need to join Cakez.
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Post Post #2192 (ISO) » Tue Nov 17, 2020 11:07 am

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In post 2190, Cobra Kai wrote:
In post 35, Cobra Kai wrote:I’m not playing guess who. If I mainslip then great for you guys! But I’m intentionally playing a different style so meta wont so much good for you.
We all know you're Ralph Macchio.
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Post Post #2193 (ISO) » Tue Nov 17, 2020 11:09 am

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I have yet to see Cobra Kai manslip.

although it has been said he is Pooky in disguise.
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Post Post #2194 (ISO) » Tue Nov 17, 2020 11:10 am

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In post 763, Lady Lambdadelta wrote:
In post 761, Flavor Leaf wrote:Acting in bad faith, Gamma, you the one out here yelling to policy obv town Battle Mage, could you tell I was leaning scum on you here, so you had to turn it on me because you noticed me not defending. I was trying to stay out of it because I’ve misread you a decent amount recently,
In post 765, Lady Lambdadelta wrote:
In post 764, Cabd wrote:Oh shit does LLD have a posting restriction?
X
In post 794, Lady Lambdadelta wrote:
In post 792, Gamma Emerald wrote:https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=84467
https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=90&t=84480

Read me in both of these and tell me if you think I handle a second of being scum with BM after I made up my mind on him.

In addition, curious why people are voting me at this point. I have given reads, so what’s the fucking deal?


VOTE: Gamma Emerald
In post 1692, Lady Lambdadelta wrote:
Vote:Noraa
In post 1756, Lady Lambdadelta wrote:
vote:cakez
In post 1769, Lady Lambdadelta wrote:
In post 1759, SirCakez wrote:Hard to believe I was excited for this game 24 hours ago
This has been one of the most miserable mafia experiences in my six yearsplaying
I wanna fight for you but honestly at this point its post humous.

If you flip town Cabd is gonna die. That is my promise to you.

Sorry.

And for Lady, they had hard Gamma rage, posting style is short and limited, they joined Noraa early, Noraa got hot, then moved to Cakez. Extremely similar. They act like Cabd gonna die if Cabd misfades SirCakez.

So Guillotina and Lady are in the same boat, similar trajectory.


I wanna rail Noraa a bit more, but I can see a townNoraa world. It just happens to looks similar to a acumNoraa world
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Post Post #2195 (ISO) » Tue Nov 17, 2020 11:11 am

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Cobra Kai, do you like to play in real time? who gave you the magic stick?
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Post Post #2196 (ISO) » Tue Nov 17, 2020 11:11 am

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In post 2192, ManWithNoName wrote:
In post 2190, Cobra Kai wrote:
In post 35, Cobra Kai wrote:I’m not playing guess who. If I mainslip then great for you guys! But I’m intentionally playing a different style so meta wont so much good for you.
We all know you're Ralph Macchio.
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Post Post #2197 (ISO) » Tue Nov 17, 2020 11:11 am

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In post 2191, Flavor Leaf wrote:
In post 1255, Guillotina wrote:Cakez wagon feels LHF, I'm not voting there now.

I'm gonna ISO the other wagons.
In post 1398, Guillotina wrote:I'm definitely not voting Cakez today. The guy is getting pushed based on an evidence claim that Cabd cannot present due to site's rules.
In other words, if they cannot be presented they don't exist! Imagine if we could convict people based on non corroborated proof in real life! A lot more people would be in jail!

We gotta take his word for it? Like hell I will, I don't know this guy!

We either find real evidence to yeet Cakez or vote someone else.

Good night!
In post 1685, Guillotina wrote:
In post 1639, Noraa wrote:
In post 1394, Bell wrote:@cabd we could all easily be wrong. :P
This post pings scum.
Your post pings scum.

Not only because you didn't elaborate why in the same post, so the intention was not bring awareness but to shade, but it also raises some questions.

Do you think we could all not be easily wrong? If so, why?

What information do you have to assume all people could be right? And if you think everyone could be right why did you vetoed Sircakez yeet?

For the record: im not saying everyone could be right or wrong, im saying that Bell got a point and throwing shade at Bell for it is scummy.

VOTE: Noraa
In post 1896, Guillotina wrote:
In post 1765, Cabd wrote:I will self-vote tomorrow if I'm wrong, which will reveal my info in a mod-confirmed way and put us down two town plus whoever dies to night kill but whatever. At least you'll have all the info. And see exactly why I am doing what I am doing.


Cakez man I am sorry RNG fucked you over bud but like, we can hug after your team shoots me night one in the dead thread and make up and play footsies.
If you are this sure to bet your own life on it by compromising to self-vote. I'll bite.
If he flips green with an important ability, i'll be mad. Crown Prince level mad.

VOTE: SirCakez

It’s this trajectory for me. It looks like they know Cakez is town, but want you to push through it while it’s known they were against it, but then they jumped on both Noraa and Cakez. I think Noraa looks like a bus vote, but then it got hot, so they finally accepted they will need to join Cakez.
I don't think this is terrible, what are your thoughts on other topics that haven't really been talked about? Someone like Firebringer/l4pe/Beeboy/Dunn; You told me you thought Brian was null last we talked because he wasn't fluffing

Despite my claims against you, I almost always want someone to be town. I enjoy dunking scum but I rely on how much I trust the people around me, and get frustrated when I don't. Suffice to say, I don't really trust many people.
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Post Post #2198 (ISO) » Tue Nov 17, 2020 11:11 am

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In post 2192, ManWithNoName wrote:
In post 2190, Cobra Kai wrote:
In post 35, Cobra Kai wrote:I’m not playing guess who. If I mainslip then great for you guys! But I’m intentionally playing a different style so meta wont so much good for you.
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Post Post #2199 (ISO) » Tue Nov 17, 2020 11:12 am

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So, does that mean that noraa/lld/guillotina happens 0% of the time in your view, flava flav?
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