Xenoblade 2 Mafia: Game Over

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I actually hate leading wagons and playing leader but fuck it I think the thread direction sucks humble me

So, this is a large theme game. It has a lot of strong personalities, with huge posting numbers and strong opinions.

If you're gonna take control of this nonsense and direct it with your townie will, you're going to need to understand the mechanics behind it.

The single most important thing you can do here, if you want a target run up, is to appeal to a base. Just... find people, like me, who enjoy the blood of their enemies and want to see people pressured. Entice them. Give them literally anything. It doesn't have to be true. it doesn't have to make sense. It just needs to attract attention.

In the case of flavour, these long posts with drawn out ideas where you often trade barbs WITH THE PERSON you want dead. Are doing nothing. Take some of their shittier comments. Stuff that sketches you.

And throw it at people like.... Muffin. Cabd. Syr. And ask them for support.

Sometimes, they might find something TRUTHFULLY concerning. And join you!

Other times they may find nothing. And still join you because it's USEFUL.

Maybe avoid cabd this game they have their own vanity wagon, but that's kind of the point.

You see how Cabd got everyone on cakez? You need to more of that.

Once you have a solid base, add to the numbers by attacking points not AT THE PERSON YOU WANT DEAD but AT PEOPLE WHO MIGHT VOTE THEM.

You don't wanna go points for points, you wanna recruit.

Once you get a solid wagon and are in top 2, then you can start to actually decide "is this person scum or am I on the wrong track". Self awareness and assessment here is important, because you can use this either way to suddenly kill a wagon and determine who if any voters are bad for being here.

But if you determine it to be continuously scummy, you just keep hammering the nail. Keep saying the stuff and boxing them out of ability to argue.

Until they're almost dead, then push them to claim. It signifies "they will die" and a lot of people respond to that with "I'll hammer, sure"

And if a counter wagon forms or people are concerned with your wagon

GOOD. More info. More people voting on a binary with a flip you can analyze.

Blood for the blood god is not just a motto to live by, it's also a very useful way to find info.

So just... attack. Don't play defense. don't stand back. Don't let others spam the thread and have your posts be lost.

Be present in the thread a lot. Have your posts loud and open. And just drive. Get in the drivers seat and drive.

There is LTIERALLY no better way. And no better teacher than the one who taught me, who is Fate.

Questionable person. Incredible at thread control.

Take a lesson. Confidence, arrogance, it's the same thing. Just be CERTAIN and keep. fucking. driving.

[Flavor Leaf]

@LLD - let's talk.

I'm going to explain to you why I wanted you wagon'd.

First, I thought that your Noraa vote was interesting. It heated up, you moved to Cakez. Guillo did the same thing. I mentioned an FOS on the 2 of your slots for that reason. Cabd commented and stated we mind melded because he was pinged by Guillo.

Firebringer, someone I am town reading this game, is town reading Cakez, something that I have been feeling as well. I was in the "i'll hammer Sir Cakez" boat to move the day forward, but certain things make me think he's more likely town now than scum, including the awkward Noraa slot. She's actively avoiding joining, I think it's because scum are already on there, and it'll make her look good if she doesn't vote the counter wagon. Note, she never got high enough that this actually mattered.

You also pushed Gamma a lot.

And Brian Skies mentioned he thought you would have been more likely to be the one to ping Cabd than Guillo, and I found that interesting. Brian Skies is someone I've correctly read as scum before, and I had already stated why I thought he wasn't scum this game, so that, along with my town read in Fire voting you, I thought you were a good wagon to elicit strong reactions and actions taken, especially because there wasn't a whole lot to go on in your slot.

Does this make sense?

I needed to see how people would react to the wagon to gauge all that around it.

[Will catch up later maybe]

just his ISO as a body of work looks town

natural non-agenda-y reactions to stuff basically

[Cabd]

I actually hate leading wagons and playing leader but fuck it I think the thread direction sucks humble me

So, this is a large theme game. It has a lot of strong personalities, with huge posting numbers and strong opinions.

If you're gonna take control of this nonsense and direct it with your townie will, you're going to need to understand the mechanics behind it.

The single most important thing you can do here, if you want a target run up, is to appeal to a base. Just... find people, like me, who enjoy the blood of their enemies and want to see people pressured. Entice them. Give them literally anything. It doesn't have to be true. it doesn't have to make sense. It just needs to attract attention.

In the case of flavour, these long posts with drawn out ideas where you often trade barbs WITH THE PERSON you want dead. Are doing nothing. Take some of their shittier comments. Stuff that sketches you.

And throw it at people like.... Muffin. Cabd. Syr. And ask them for support.

Sometimes, they might find something TRUTHFULLY concerning. And join you!

Other times they may find nothing. And still join you because it's USEFUL.

Maybe avoid cabd this game they have their own vanity wagon, but that's kind of the point.

You see how Cabd got everyone on cakez? You need to more of that.

Once you have a solid base, add to the numbers by attacking points not AT THE PERSON YOU WANT DEAD but AT PEOPLE WHO MIGHT VOTE THEM.

You don't wanna go points for points, you wanna recruit.

Once you get a solid wagon and are in top 2, then you can start to actually decide "is this person scum or am I on the wrong track". Self awareness and assessment here is important, because you can use this either way to suddenly kill a wagon and determine who if any voters are bad for being here.

But if you determine it to be continuously scummy, you just keep hammering the nail. Keep saying the stuff and boxing them out of ability to argue.

Until they're almost dead, then push them to claim. It signifies "they will die" and a lot of people respond to that with "I'll hammer, sure"

And if a counter wagon forms or people are concerned with your wagon

GOOD. More info. More people voting on a binary with a flip you can analyze.

Blood for the blood god is not just a motto to live by, it's also a very useful way to find info.

So just... attack. Don't play defense. don't stand back. Don't let others spam the thread and have your posts be lost.

Be present in the thread a lot. Have your posts loud and open. And just drive. Get in the drivers seat and drive.

There is LTIERALLY no better way. And no better teacher than the one who taught me, who is Fate.

Questionable person. Incredible at thread control.

Take a lesson. Confidence, arrogance, it's the same thing. Just be CERTAIN and keep. fucking. driving.

I endorse this product and or service. And note I am open to non-cakez wagons in the future. I can't keep voting him after he's dead.

[REAGAN BUSH 84]

Flavor seems to think Midway might be scum. Might be an interesting topic for us to talk about if you want to? You're a dart throw townlean for me too, can't remember how the President feels.

Me and Ronnie are both very sure that Midway is town right from the get-go, easily our single strongest townread even individually. Jumping right into mechanics and claiming blade was a very bold move, and even though I haven't liked/understood some of his early reads his questions in general have been very on point. Having seen what happened in FGO, this would be a very big step up for him imo

[Flavor Leaf]

I think that wall from Flavor sounds like a sleazy car salesman.

Yes.

Again, not scum.

Do you guys need to see my scum games? I come off much more genuine.

However, I am glad to realize that the vast majority of players don't know my scum game again. It got pretty rough there for a minute when people forgot what Town Me looked like because I rolled scum like 4 games in a row, multiple times.

Illicit Substances game had to deal with me finally rolling town.

Now I'm dreading when I roll scum again.

FWIW Flavor's style on his main is incredibly high-stir-shit but he generally speaking is fairly good at reading the resulting tea leaves.

He'll just try every combination until he starts getting clicks.

<weirdly specific simile>
It's like Jump Start 5th grade's crosswords puzzles, where you spam the keys until it locks in the correct vowels then guess around the edges.
</weirdly specific simile>

To be fair, I think I'm just a shit-stirrer by personality. I like to poke the bear. I'm dry and sarcastic. I'm eccentric and unorthodox. I care too much and I care too little.

This one's my main now, Boonskiies comes across like a fool and jester type too easily with Avatar Psychology, which is great for modding purposes. I feel it gives my games a lot of color.

but yeah, this was a good post by Cabd.

[REAGAN BUSH 84]

Eh Flavor's busy with LLD. Maybe another time. I'll catch up with Cabd.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

@LLD - let's talk.

I'm going to explain to you why I wanted you wagon'd.

First, I thought that your Noraa vote was interesting. It heated up, you moved to Cakez. Guillo did the same thing. I mentioned an FOS on the 2 of your slots for that reason. Cabd commented and stated we mind melded because he was pinged by Guillo.

Firebringer, someone I am town reading this game, is town reading Cakez, something that I have been feeling as well. I was in the "i'll hammer Sir Cakez" boat to move the day forward, but certain things make me think he's more likely town now than scum, including the awkward Noraa slot. She's actively avoiding joining, I think it's because scum are already on there, and it'll make her look good if she doesn't vote the counter wagon. Note, she never got high enough that this actually mattered.

You also pushed Gamma a lot.

And Brian Skies mentioned he thought you would have been more likely to be the one to ping Cabd than Guillo, and I found that interesting. Brian Skies is someone I've correctly read as scum before, and I had already stated why I thought he wasn't scum this game, so that, along with my town read in Fire voting you, I thought you were a good wagon to elicit strong reactions and actions taken, especially because there wasn't a whole lot to go on in your slot.

Does this make sense?

I needed to see how people would react to the wagon to gauge all that around it.

Why are you telling me this and why should I give a shit?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Eh Flavor's busy with LLD. Maybe another time. I'll catch up with Cabd.

GET BACK HERE YOU RIGHT WING WARHAWKS.

[Flavor Leaf]

Flavor seems to think Midway might be scum. Might be an interesting topic for us to talk about if you want to? You're a dart throw townlean for me too, can't remember how the President feels.

Me and Ronnie are both very sure that Midway is town right from the get-go, easily our single strongest townread even individually. Jumping right into mechanics and claiming blade was a very bold move, and even though I haven't liked/understood some of his early reads his questions in general have been very on point. Having seen what happened in FGO, this would be a very big step up for him imo

Well, he fits the spot I was filling Bell into. I've never seen townMidway, though.

I did like what he said against Nacho/Zmuffin hydra, though.

I was feeling off with their posts as well, but I can't put my finger on to why. Maybe it was the timing of their posts when other stuff was going.

[REAGAN BUSH 84]

Eh Flavor's busy with LLD. Maybe another time. I'll catch up with Cabd.

GET BACK HERE YOU RIGHT WING WARHAWKS.

Did you have something for me (Bush) that I missed?

[Flavor Leaf]

@LLD - let's talk.

I'm going to explain to you why I wanted you wagon'd.

First, I thought that your Noraa vote was interesting. It heated up, you moved to Cakez. Guillo did the same thing. I mentioned an FOS on the 2 of your slots for that reason. Cabd commented and stated we mind melded because he was pinged by Guillo.

Firebringer, someone I am town reading this game, is town reading Cakez, something that I have been feeling as well. I was in the "i'll hammer Sir Cakez" boat to move the day forward, but certain things make me think he's more likely town now than scum, including the awkward Noraa slot. She's actively avoiding joining, I think it's because scum are already on there, and it'll make her look good if she doesn't vote the counter wagon. Note, she never got high enough that this actually mattered.

You also pushed Gamma a lot.

And Brian Skies mentioned he thought you would have been more likely to be the one to ping Cabd than Guillo, and I found that interesting. Brian Skies is someone I've correctly read as scum before, and I had already stated why I thought he wasn't scum this game, so that, along with my town read in Fire voting you, I thought you were a good wagon to elicit strong reactions and actions taken, especially because there wasn't a whole lot to go on in your slot.

Does this make sense?

I needed to see how people would react to the wagon to gauge all that around it.

Why are you telling me this and why should I give a shit?

Because this is a 22 player game where connections need to be made to find scum, that's why.

If you have absolutely no care to listen to players in games, especially one that was pushing you, and was willing to talk to you to converse and help me figure out why I should town read you is why, but looks like you have a lot to work on still on your own side.

[Cabd]

Votecount 1.11

[10] SirCakez (ManWithNoName, Bell, Dunnstral, Gamma Emerald, midwaybear, Lady Lambdadelta, Guillotina, Fermis Flames, MariaR, Cabd)
[4] noraa (Cobra Kai, Firebringer, SirCakez, Flavor Leaf)
[2] Lady Lambdadelta (Brian Skies, REAGAN BUSH 84)
[2] MariaR (l4pe, beeboy)
[1] Cobra Kai (noraa)
[1] Flavor Leaf (unwnd)
[1] midwaybear (Battle Mage)

[1] Not Voting (Will catch up later maybe)

With 22 alive, it is 12 to eliminate.

Let me know if you see any problems.

Deadline is in (expired on 2020-11-30 13:00:00)

This is where we are, huh?

Putting away the bigguns...

[2] MariaR (l4pe, beeboy)
[1] Cobra Kai (noraa)
[1] Flavor Leaf (unwnd)
[1] midwaybear (Battle Mage)

[1] Not Voting (Will catch up later maybe)

I'd like everyone in this list to tell me...

Cake, Noraa, both? Don't gotta vote em, but wanna know where you stand. In your own words. As of this post.

[REAGAN BUSH 84]

Well, he fits the spot I was filling Bell into. I've never seen townMidway, though.

I did like what he said against Nacho/Zmuffin hydra, though.

I was feeling off with their posts as well, but I can't put my finger on to why. Maybe it was the timing of their posts when other stuff was going.

Hm, okay, me being 50 pages in the past bites us here. Will circle back. I appreciate you trying for me though!

[midwaybear]

I didn't like the way nacho was talking to Cakez earlier today.

[Cobra Kai]

I’ll be on Cakez once Tammy signals she’s done whatever she wanted more time for.

[Flavor Leaf]

LLD's aggressiveness there seems fake and looks like a discredit attempt. That was my absolute first time reaching out, and trying to figure out if I was wrong on their slot, but I caught their partner Maria out.

[unwnd]

I actually hate leading wagons and playing leader but fuck it I think the thread direction sucks humble me

So, this is a large theme game. It has a lot of strong personalities, with huge posting numbers and strong opinions.

If you're gonna take control of this nonsense and direct it with your townie will, you're going to need to understand the mechanics behind it.

The single most important thing you can do here, if you want a target run up, is to appeal to a base. Just... find people, like me, who enjoy the blood of their enemies and want to see people pressured. Entice them. Give them literally anything. It doesn't have to be true. it doesn't have to make sense. It just needs to attract attention.

In the case of flavour, these long posts with drawn out ideas where you often trade barbs WITH THE PERSON you want dead. Are doing nothing. Take some of their shittier comments. Stuff that sketches you.

And throw it at people like.... Muffin. Cabd. Syr. And ask them for support.

Sometimes, they might find something TRUTHFULLY concerning. And join you!

Other times they may find nothing. And still join you because it's USEFUL.

Maybe avoid cabd this game they have their own vanity wagon, but that's kind of the point.

You see how Cabd got everyone on cakez? You need to more of that.

Once you have a solid base, add to the numbers by attacking points not AT THE PERSON YOU WANT DEAD but AT PEOPLE WHO MIGHT VOTE THEM.

You don't wanna go points for points, you wanna recruit.

Once you get a solid wagon and are in top 2, then you can start to actually decide "is this person scum or am I on the wrong track". Self awareness and assessment here is important, because you can use this either way to suddenly kill a wagon and determine who if any voters are bad for being here.

But if you determine it to be continuously scummy, you just keep hammering the nail. Keep saying the stuff and boxing them out of ability to argue.

Until they're almost dead, then push them to claim. It signifies "they will die" and a lot of people respond to that with "I'll hammer, sure"

And if a counter wagon forms or people are concerned with your wagon

GOOD. More info. More people voting on a binary with a flip you can analyze.

Blood for the blood god is not just a motto to live by, it's also a very useful way to find info.

So just... attack. Don't play defense. don't stand back. Don't let others spam the thread and have your posts be lost.

Be present in the thread a lot. Have your posts loud and open. And just drive. Get in the drivers seat and drive.

There is LTIERALLY no better way. And no better teacher than the one who taught me, who is Fate.

Questionable person. Incredible at thread control.

Take a lesson. Confidence, arrogance, it's the same thing. Just be CERTAIN and keep. fucking. driving.

Alright sure--

Flavor Leaf is scummy as fuck, he makes baseless assumptions and then asserts himself in ways that leaves him far too many options

He's not scumhunting, just entertaining his ego

I am tired of seeing it

I am tired of people not seeing it

[Flavor Leaf]

I really don't think Cakez is scum here. He was so against me trying to defend him, it seems like stubborn town.

[unwnd]

LLD's aggressiveness there seems fake and looks like a discredit attempt. That was my absolute first time reaching out, and trying to figure out if I was wrong on their slot, but I caught their partner Maria out.

Oh wow the same post made by Flavor Leaf god I haven't heard this one before

[Flavor Leaf]

Alright sure--

Flavor Leaf is scummy as fuck, he makes baseless assumptions and then asserts himself in ways that leaves him far too many options

He's not scumhunting, just entertaining his ego

I am tired of seeing it

I am tired of people not seeing it

You keep acting like you're ahead of the curve for people "not seeing it", but I really feel it's just you behind "not seeing it".

[unwnd]

Just blindly believe me I am Flavor Leaf and I approve this message

[Flavor Leaf]

My biggest fan Unwnd feels like he's trying to distract me.

Tinfoil he's a pawn for another scum to keep me distracted.

I'm not gonna sign anymore autographs for you, Unwnd.

[unwnd]

Flavor Leaf literally has only had problems with him (Me, Noraa, and now LLD)

Everyone else is a willing and useful asset to this kingdom

There's definitely a problem

[REAGAN BUSH 84]

Listen Gamma, you're not wrong in your result, and arguing about the process is kind of a waste when I think you're town anyway even if I'm not 100% on it. And your answer doesn't really surprise me.

That said, if you're looking to nail me in future games, I...would really review the entrances in the scumgames you've seen me play.