Death Curse

[MURDERCAT]

Friendly reminder...

To prepare you all in advance, when I get the first scroll, I'd like everyone's preferred Scroll #2 wielder listed by their top 5 choices, in order. Whether I use this information or not, you will not know.

Failure to submit a top 5 list for Scroll #2 might make me just use Scroll #2 on you instead.

1. Taylor
2. Zdenek
3. Lapsa.
4. Flea
5. VaxKiller

I think this is the worst Bell post

[MURDERCAT]

I'd like to make both Noraa and Bell make their pick. I think Pooky should control the shot still, but I think that will be telling. I also want to hear Fidget's thoughts.

[Bell]

Sigh all three of us have said we're bad at being scum and used that to an extent to be underestimated.
Well, two of us were being honest. But still.
Though Murdercat later went the other way and mentioned he's actually good at scum.

[MURDERCAT]

I don't think I ever said I'm bad at scum I think I'm pretty good at

[Bell]

In this game is there anything you wouldn't do as scum that you did here?

[MURDERCAT]

gth I would shoot Bell but the gun was to my head a minute ago and I shot Pooky so

[MURDERCAT]

In this game is there anything you wouldn't do as scum that you did here?

I already towncased myself, I consistently gave up scum and was on the right side of various arguments. Though in retrospect I'm not sure how much credit I should get for Bell v Shelly, that might have been a freebie

[Bell]

No you didn't I was just reading #273 and misremembered before correcting myself.

[Bell]

In this game is there anything you wouldn't do as scum that you did here?

I already towncased myself, I consistently gave up scum and was on the right side of various arguments. Though in retrospect I'm not sure how much credit I should get for Bell v Shelly, that might have been a freebie

You were not at the fore front of any eliminations to my knowledge.

[Bell]

Sorry, why do you want to shoot me murder.

[MURDERCAT]

You were not at the fore front of any eliminations to my knowledge.

Well it might be more effective for you to look through my towncase post point by point

[Bell]

Friendly reminder...

To prepare you all in advance, when I get the first scroll, I'd like everyone's preferred Scroll #2 wielder listed by their top 5 choices, in order. Whether I use this information or not, you will not know.

Failure to submit a top 5 list for Scroll #2 might make me just use Scroll #2 on you instead.

1. Taylor
2. Zdenek
3. Lapsa.
4. Flea
5. VaxKiller

I think this is the worst Bell post

Ask me for an explanation.

I hesitated and was going on and off on Shelly. I mentioned later that I was waffling.
I believe I mentioned or must have mentioned here or there's plenty of other instances in other games where I fake confidence in my reads as town due to sort of needing to, to get wagons off the ground.

[Bell]

You were not at the fore front of any eliminations to my knowledge.

Well it might be more effective for you to look through my towncase post point by point

Why do you want me to be the one that's shot?

[Bell]

Oh.

[MURDERCAT]

Sorry, why do you want to shoot me murder.

You were widely TR'd for strong reads on scum. The question is if they were too good to be true. Was your Shelly read too early?

VOTE: Shellyc

Was your Fred read too strong?

If I'm scum I'm bussing my partner.
Please get on the bus.

Friendly reminder...

To prepare you all in advance, when I get the first scroll, I'd like everyone's preferred Scroll #2 wielder listed by their top 5 choices, in order. Whether I use this information or not, you will not know.

Failure to submit a top 5 list for Scroll #2 might make me just use Scroll #2 on you instead.

1. Taylor
2. Zdenek
3. Lapsa.
4. Flea
5. VaxKiller

This is a very very convenient list and is noticeably missing Shelly.

This all has to be compared to Noraa being scum, which I feel I have decent evidence against as well.

[Bell]

Fidget, you've read my forest fire game right?
So you do know that I pretty much never bus as scum by leading a wagon directly on a player without at least significant suspicion pointed their way.
Could you confirm that?

[MURDERCAT]

Fidget is like "leave me out of this" lol

[Bell]

I just addressed that Murdercat.

I was going up and down on Shelly, wondering if I was being unfair or if I was reading her.

Eventualy I settled on it which is why I started hard pushing it.

Also, it wasn't too good to be true.
It seems like I just got lucky given how bad my reads have been late game.
I should have taken a much harder stance on owen and Gloria.

[MURDERCAT]

I don't think you can say anything right now that will convince me that you are town.
You may be able to convince me Noraa is scum though, that's more interesting to me

[Bell]

You aren't directly addressing why you think I should be shot over Noraa.
You're saying it seems too good to be true (it's not because it happened).
And the likelihood of this being the case is lower than the likelihood of it being the case because in general this game is hard anti-bus.
The rest of the scum players played divergent to how I approached this game.

With the one excption being DGB who bussed Titus.

[Bell]

I don't think you can say anything right now that will convince me that you are town.
You may be able to convince me Noraa is scum though, that's more interesting to me

...........Why would I do that instead of just reread the game and explain how I'm interpreting both of you?

[Bell]

That's a very crappy POV.

[MURDERCAT]

You aren't directly addressing why you think I should be shot over Noraa.
You're saying it seems too good to be true (it's not because it happened).
And the likelihood of this being the case is lower than the likelihood of it being the case because in general this game is hard anti-bus.
The rest of the scum players played divergent to how I approached this game.

With the one excption being DGB who bussed Titus.

I agree with all of this, but I could see scum setting up a deep wolf to win the game. It would have to be you, because no one would trust Shelly to not hard bus the whole game and everyone else was inactive/replacing out/being scum read.

Your arguments made you town enough to get you to the F3, what you need to prove now is not that you are town but that the other person who is heavily town read is scum.

[MURDERCAT]

Like since D1 I have had just as strong a TR on Noraa as you, if not stronger so one of you needs to convince me why I was wrong on one of the TRs.

[Noraa]

You may be able to convince me Noraa is scum though, that's more interesting to me

Bro I was just starting to think Bell was the last scum and I was wrong on you and you say this *very* damn scummy sentence.